Who gives a t*ss?

Good post GG exactly what a lot of us feel I should think.??

growstuff

Dinahmo

grannysyb

The one thing I will never forgive Blair for is the decision to charge students tuition fees. My grandchildren will be in debt for years. Those who voted for this were all lucky enough to get their education for free. Further education colleges have been underfunded for years, we need apprentices with technical skills.

Your grandchildren, by getting a higher level of education than the majority of young people are better placed to have decent careers and presumably well paid employment. I can see no reason why they should not contribute financially towards their futures.

In any event, repayment of the loans doesn't start until they earn at least £27,000 and any amount outstanding after 30 years is cancelled.

As regards apprentices, their training would be paid for by the employers.

Not only that, but the fees the Blair government introduced were nowhere near the level of today's fees, which have been designed not to be paid off. They are, in effect, a graduate tax. Furthermore, under the Blair government, there was still an element of non-repayable grant for students from families with low incomes.

I agree with what has been said in reply to grannysyb's post One thing we need to recognise is that, if our children are as well educated as they can be, with a possibility of further increasing that education through their lives they will not only be better placed to have decent careers and presumably well paid employment [Dinahmo] in this country but in the international market we have been competing in for some decades.

The aim should not be to reduce the 50% going to University (as the Conservatives appear to be suggesting) but to increase the number and widen the offering.

GG13
^"As the OP posted, in my opinion (going on conversations I have taken part in and/or overheard) there are many many folks in the U.K. that do not dissect every political argument/article. They see the vaccine roll-out as a win-win situation for the U.K. and by default this is a plus for the PM, he promised Brexit, he delivered Brexit (and again they are not forensically checking every article regarding the current situation)
The reasons for not going over every detail of the current government’s daily business (and this is only my opinion) is they are too busy getting on with their lives, they have not got the luxury of being retired as many on GN are, enabling them to trawl MSM and elsewhere for negative stories regarding the Conservative Party."^

I would suggest that they ought to be thinking about the current situation. They may well think that Johnson is the bees knees but they will get a surprise one day when the jobs/money/projects fail to materialise.

they have not got the luxury of being retired as many on GN are, enabling them to trawl MSM and elsewhere for negative stories regarding the Conservative Party."

There is absolutely no need to do any trawling, GG13. Negative stories jump out at you with every turn...

Dinahmo's advice is sound because, believe you me, Sunak has his sights firmly set on massive cuts to public spending.

GG Hear hear.

Rishi Sunak’s tax income has just got bigger as G7 finance ministers agree on Tech Companies paying Corporation Tax in the Countries were they operate as opposed to where there Headquarters are (or registered)

*there should be their

GrannyGravy13

Rishi Sunak’s tax income has just got bigger as G7 finance ministers agree on Tech Companies paying Corporation Tax in the Countries were they operate as opposed to where there Headquarters are (or registered)

And what has that to do with the price of fish?

Taxation doesn't fund spending. The UK now has a big 'paper' deficit giving Sunak an excuse to go for full blown (and completely unnecessary) austerity measures.

MaizieD perhaps you should write to him and offer your financial expertise to the treasury.

Surely you approve of the big Tech Companies being held to account over their tax payments, or is it just because the deal has been done under a Conservative Government that brings out the sarcasm?

I think that's great news about the tech companies. My god, they will be due to pay a fortune. It's been a long time coming.

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD perhaps you should write to him and offer your financial expertise to the treasury.

Surely you approve of the big Tech Companies being held to account over their tax payments, or is it just because the deal has been done under a Conservative Government that brings out the sarcasm?

Had we stayed in the Eu this would have happened more than a year ago. The reason why the extreme right in the Tories wanted to leave the EU was because of legislation being brought in w.e.f 1 January 2020.

Some people either have short memories, or they don't bother to read what's been written or they actually disbelieve posters who have told them several times about the new EU rules.

Not to denigrate Maizie's knowledge but those held in esteem for their knowledge in this area have been telling the government the same as Maizie tells us for a very long time. It is not in the government's interest to listen to the truth so they don't GrannyGravy13.

I agree Chestnut, this is good news - as long as the poorer nations get their fair share.

GrannyGravy13

Rishi Sunak’s tax income has just got bigger as G7 finance ministers agree on Tech Companies paying Corporation Tax in the Countries were they operate as opposed to where there Headquarters are (or registered)

They may well agree (they would, wouldn't they) but they've got to enact the legislation. Fish might fly. (and please don't tell me that some do)

I think Campbell is probably absolutely right. The one thing he fails to mention of course is that not giving a toss is actually the ultimate legacy of the government he worked for and advised. That if you consistently and regularly abandon all principles, lie and act illegally then people begin to lose faith in the organisation you represent. If succeeding governments continue to lie and fail to act on their promises then of course people stop giving a toss. You might fall for one snake oil salesman but eventually you recognise them for what they are and walk by.

I don't think they have not got the luxury of being retired as many on GN are, enabling them to trawl MSM and elsewhere for negative stories regarding the Conservative Party." holds water.

I have always been interested in politics and was more involved when I was younger. In my opinion that is generally true. The idea that people are only interested because they are older doesn't seem to be based on any real information. Those who were DGat's in early life - or simply don't care about others - will still be that way and those who did give a toss and wanted to do something about it will, although with more or less energy, probably still feel that way too. On the edges, I expect some came to politics late and some leave this previous interest.

Dinahmo
Quite ironic really when it was the head honcho of the eu when he was Prime minister of Luxembourg who gave the tech giants the sweetheart tax deals. www.euractiv.com/section/euro-finance/news/luxembourg-made-172-secret-tax-deals-with-companies-in-year-after-luxleaks/

Greta

If AC said ”Paris is the capital of France” many would deny it because it is AC who says it. As far as I can see nobody on here has looked at a single claim AC makes and explained why it is a lie.

Even a lier sometimes tells the truth.

That's a strange thing to say. I haven't called him a liar and i haven't read any other comments saying he is lieing in this article - it's his opinion.
The majority of posters are saying that one thing they don't give a toss about is AC's thoughts on people in this country not giving a toss.

I am pleased that the Tech Companies are being brought to heel tax wise.

MerylStreep interesting article.

Whatdayisit yes your last sentence is spot on?

Whatdayisit

Greta

If AC said ”Paris is the capital of France” many would deny it because it is AC who says it. As far as I can see nobody on here has looked at a single claim AC makes and explained why it is a lie.

Even a lier sometimes tells the truth.

That's a strange thing to say. I haven't called him a liar and i haven't read any other comments saying he is lieing in this article - it's his opinion.
The majority of posters are saying that one thing they don't give a toss about is AC's thoughts on people in this country not giving a toss.

I don't think it's that strange. The pile-on on the first few pages was all about what people think about AC and how they wouldn't trust anything he said.

Now maybe because those posting their anger with AC simply aren't capable of reasoned argument or perhaps they know that what is being said hits the nail on the head but it was a full-on attack by many who would come into the category of AC's DGaTs. This was summed up by AC in:

If you work up sufficient rage to tweet angrily about Meghan Markle but are cool with 128,000 Covid dead, and willing to dismiss any and all suggestion that Johnson did not take the virus seriously, or was too busy sorting out his private life to focus on it, or was finishing a book to recoup the advance because he doesn’t see how anyone can survive unless on at least ten times the national average salary, then you are so far gone into the Land of Not Giving a Toss because ‘Boris is a character and Starmer’s a bit boring’ that you may as well not bother having a passport to come back.

All that chest-beating on the first couple of pages was designed to throw everyone off the scent but pinpointed many on here who fit the bill exactly - and they recognised that.

I am trying to keep calm GrannyGravy as i am still livid that he has the audacity to make that claim!

Whatdayisit

I am trying to keep calm GrannyGravy as i am still livid that he has the audacity to make that claim!

Ditto

Now maybe because those posting their anger with AC simply aren't capable of reasoned argument or perhaps they know that what is being said hits the nail on the head
Let's look at some of ACs points
If you don’t think it is important that the prime minister is a proven and brazen liar, you really don’t give a toss about whether our democratic systems work or not.
Oh we cared, we so cared unfortunately the greatest lie of all time was just glossed over, you know the one Tony Blair told to take us into an illegal war- something he has never been made to account for.
If you work up sufficient rage to tweet angrily about Meghan Markle but are cool with 128,000 Covid dead,
Much as Campbell raged at MPs to toe the line but accepted thousands of dead Iraqis?
If you are a journalist who cares about truth, but who does not pursue it with vigour when it comes to the words or deeds of the prime minister and his cabinet, I’m afraid your lethargy, and the ease with which you take proprietorial orders or a Number 10 line, moves you from giving a toss to not giving a toss. You are the Fifth Column for the Not Giving A Tossers.
This from the man who was notorious for using the press and his journalist friends to threaten and control MPs.
The DGT attitude can be placed firmly at Mr Campbell's door.

Whatdayisit

I am trying to keep calm GrannyGravy as i am still livid that he has the audacity to make that claim!

Who has the audacity to make what claim?