Matt Hancock….

Apparently Johnson positively did not want him to go.

How would that of worked? Like Cummings I suppose. Johnson seemed to have got away with it then until Carrie got involved.

The camera in the office is worrying. Not because it exposed Matt Hancock, but because I understand there are not supposed to be cameras in these places. Who put it there? Why? Are there others? Very worrying.

trisher

Oh come on the hypocrisy isn't new. It's been obvious and since the start of this whole thing. And it remains obvious. Matt Hancock is just a stupid man who for some reason has been scapegoated, doing something our PM is actually famous for-breaking the rules.
I think he had to go. He's been at the front and on TV as someone who was leading the Covid battle. I suspect Boris is just removing anyone associated with that and he's going to present opening up as a purely Boris led victory. Watch out Rishi-you'renext!!!!

My point, excellently put!!

What evidence is there that Carrie gets involved in these things. I’d like to know how people know this definitively.

maddyone

The camera in the office is worrying. Not because it exposed Matt Hancock, but because I understand there are not supposed to be cameras in these places. Who put it there? Why? Are there others? Very worrying.

why?

there are cameras in most workplaces now. You are usually told about them though

MawBe

^But if someone suddenly starts commenting after months of complete silence on a specific topic (i.e government wrongdoing) it's a bit of a surprise^

Is this a new GN guideline MaizieD or one you have just made up?
I wasn’t aware of it but if I have not joined in on some threads recently it might be because they are too often a case of the “same old, same old “ aka the same people banging on about the same things.
Which reminds me- aren’t we due a new Brexit thread soon?

There is one - "Elton John........"

Lucca

What I wonder is how Boris justified not sacking Hancock

Apparently he has never sacked anyone - he waffles and then leaves it to someone else. Even whilst at the Spectator.

Boris ? Waffle ? Surely not

What a'plonker '.
Who would in their right mind, in this case Cummings,with much to lose nothing to gain have a 'bit on the side' in front of a camera.?

We have ccc at the football ground indoors and out. GDPR dictates that we have to display a notice telling people it is operational and for what purpose, otherwise it is not legal. Does the same not apply to offices?

Sorry stand corrected Hancock

It is not there to spy on people.

Link to official guidance on using CCTV at work:

www.gov.uk/data-protection-your-business/using-cctv

25Avalon

It is not there to spy on people.

in some workplaces it is there as a security measure though. It also lowers insurance costs afaik but staff have to be told it is there. You can't just randomly film people/staff

There is a proviso for monitoring staff at work without their knowledge if you think they're breaking the law.

There are legal implications about the Hancock video, but the damage (to Hancock) has been done. He has been judged by the public and (apparently) a large group of Conservative backbenchers.

JaneJudge

25Avalon

It is not there to spy on people.

in some workplaces it is there as a security measure though. It also lowers insurance costs afaik but staff have to be told it is there. You can't just randomly film people/staff

Yes, you can in certain circumstances.

Quite so Jane Judge that’s why you have to tell people why it’s there and for what purpose such as to detect or prevent a crime.

I was just thinking when I have worked in cash office too, you always know it is there. You do forget though and no end of people still steal

My guess is that security cameras are installed all over the building (which is quite reasonable for such a high profile and sensitive facility) and that he knew that was the case but just didn’t think about being captured on a camera in the heat of the moment.

I'd be surprised if the government broke the law and failed to register the camera - but who knows?

Even if it was installed illegally and used for a purpose it wasn't intended, it doesn't really matter. It's possible the government could be fined, but the clock can't be rolled back. There's no disputing what happened and the outcome will be the same.

Nevertheless, it would be interesting to have the camera investigated because it might shed some light on who had it in for Hancock and what the hidden agenda is.

Another one late to the party! My worry now is, who will replace Handcock? In my worst nightmare, it may be, Gove!

Handcock !!!

What an appropriate Freudian slip, under the circumstances!

Whitewavemark2

Apparently Johnson positively did not want him to go.

How would that of worked? Like Cummings I suppose. Johnson seemed to have got away with it then until Carrie got involved.

I do think that Johnson is now very worried about the infection rate going up. But, as with the ERG, the Conservative Party has parties within parties and the covid recovery group is one of them. And I think they have ways of getting things done that suits their agenda. I find it very unsettling to be honest. Hancock no longer fitted in with their agenda. Paranoid, moi? You bet I am…..

very dark forces at play there ...

How does anyone know what Johnson wanted or didn't want? Anything he says is purely what he thinks will make him more popular at the time. He has noconcept of loyalty so it's unlikely that came into it. Of course he may have thought MH could be blamed if it all went wrong. But he'll have some other incompetent lined-up now for the fall guy.