Covid vaccinations to be made compulsory for care home staff

The figures I gave about the people waiting to start hospital treatments are correct.

No, PinkCakes they are not. You were using the continental standard for expressing thousands (comma instead of full stop) but I know what you meant. You also conflated the numbers on the waiting list and the numbers waiting for more than one year, which makes it look far worse than it is. So you are completely twisting and misrepresenting the facts of the article you quoted.

Like the others, if you have evidence I'd be happy to look at it.

My BiL is the manager of a large regional crematorium. I can assure you he hasn't been sitting around looking for work in the last 15 months. You haven't seen people sneezing and coughing because the vast majority of people self isolate straight away when they have symptoms - because they have a sense of civic duty. Unlike some.

Hello Pinkcakes!
Can you point me to where your info is coming from please?

There are some very rude, ignorant and downright nasty people on here. That's ok, I know why they're like it.

The figures I gave about the people waiting to start hospital treatments are correct.

I'm not afraid of having the jab, I simply see no good reason to have it when the recovery rate is 99 %.

The NHS hasn't been overwhelmed or full of Covid patients. The Nightingale hospitals were never used, a waste of billions, and they were dismantled.

Ask yourself these questions:
Why haven't funeral directors and crematoriums been overwhelmed with "work"? Why haven't we seen people sneezing and coughing all over the place?

If masks, social distancing, hand gels, tests, lockdowns, and now the vaccines all work, why are so many sheep worried about unvaccinated people? You're all protected, aren't you?

Wake up.

Well I’d be happy to know where PinkCakes and Biscuit get the information from.

I do currently believe that the vaccine is ok, and I have had mine, based on the evidence I’ve read but if there is info out there that says otherwise I would read it. I have listened to YouTube links sent to me by a friend so why wouldn’t I read what Pink and Biscuit offer?

There is no need for anyone to be rude. It would be better to explore the info, in my opinion, then we can discuss it.

We know that fear feeds on suspicion and ignorance. Some people avoid knowlege, they avoid engaging in conversation and prefer to ”know what I know and that's all I need to know.” I believe there is even a name for it: Epistemophobia.

well pinkcakes if there are thirty zillion people awaiting hospital treatment you had better get your covid vaccine so that you don't take up a much needed ICU bed.

PinkCakes

There are a lot of blinkered people on here, unwilling or unable to even dare to think for themselves, blindly obeying the rules without questioning anything.

I think it's an absolute disgrace that there are 5,122 million people currently waiting to have hospital treatments (heart disease cancer, joint replacements, plus many, many more conditions), which is 35 times higher than 2020. Sky news.

5,122,000,000 people? Are you sure? Is that in the whole world?

I am another with a back list of unanswered questions. I have even put links in some of my posts to encourage them to do likewise, but without avail.

As far as I am concerned unsupported and uncorroborated evidence is no evidence at all.

My DH has a comment he used to some times make (very kindly) of my mother

she has made up her mind, do not confuse her with facts I think this applies to these two (and a few other posters).

There are certain key words and phrases promulgated by conspiracy theorists. "Doing our own research" is one. It does not mean checking out peer-reviewed scientific papers or scrutinising reliable data - it means spending hours on the internet and in dubious chatrooms going further and further down the rabbit hole.

Biscuitmuncher and PinkCakes
I'm still interested to hear where you get your information from.

You say that we shouldn't read newspapers; watch TV; the usual MSM stuff.

Both Lucca and I have asked you multiple times
Thank you

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One of the more irritating characteristics of people such as biscuitmuncher is the assumption that (a) the rest of us are incapable of doing our own research, weighing up facts and statistics and thus making our decision as to whether we do/do not have the covid19 vaccination. Very few of us, myself included, have had this vaccination because the government told us to, in fact in my case, advise to do anything by Johnson and his chums makes me do even more research! and (b) that somehow biscuitmuncher ( and my god daughter too) have somehow been 'chosen' to be enlightened, are the only ones capable of research, and somehow have the intelligence and enlightenment that the rest of us do not. So, I fully respect your decision not to have the vaccine, but please do not offend those of us who have chosen to have it.

Gosh Lucca ! It’s becoming a habit isn’t it!

PinkCakes I agree that it’s dreadful that there are so many people awaiting urgent surgery, but can’t you see that the vaccination programme is the only way to free up hospitals and enable them to get on top of the other illnesses and treatment?

If we had no vaccines hospitals would still be full of sick elderly covid patients and the numbers you quoted awaiting surgery would be a hell of a lot higher.

What exactly is your main worry about the vaccines? What do you fear it might do to you?
Have you discussed these fears with a medical professional you trust?

You know what is interesting on here ? It’s that I Find myself in complete agreement with, for example, Jennifer Eccles, and I think she’d agree she and I don’t usually see eye to eye!

PinkCakes

There are a lot of blinkered people on here, unwilling or unable to even dare to think for themselves, blindly obeying the rules without questioning anything.

I think it's an absolute disgrace that there are 5,122 million people currently waiting to have hospital treatments (heart disease cancer, joint replacements, plus many, many more conditions), which is 35 times higher than 2020. Sky news.

Once again pink cakes have you read my post which corrects your false assertion that recovery rate is 99%.
You have not said what you think all the governments all over the world stand to gain from pretending Covid exists and persuading us to be vaccinated?

Why do you think there are all these backlogs for operations and treatment ? Because the hospitals were full of people pretending to be ill with Covid ???

If you are so convinced you are right please please give us some answers !

When I was in high school my chemistry teacher always said that when faced with any scientific opinions your question should always be 'prove it.'

I think the science around the vaccine has been proven by the numbers, I've yet to see any proof of anything, other than they are deluded, by the anti-vaccers.

I am certainly not blinkered, and I am perfectly able, willing and very proactive when it comes to thinking for myself. In fact, I apply my chemistry teachers advice to a lot of areas of my life.

PinkCakes

There are a lot of blinkered people on here, unwilling or unable to even dare to think for themselves, blindly obeying the rules without questioning anything.

I think it's an absolute disgrace that there are 5,122 million people currently waiting to have hospital treatments (heart disease cancer, joint replacements, plus many, many more conditions), which is 35 times higher than 2020. Sky news.

We're not blinkered PinkCakes, we have powers of reasoning.

For instance, your stat quoted above. 5 million people are currently waiting for hospital treatment. In May 2020, it was 3.83 million. so that is an increase of 30%, not 35 times.

The proportion of people waiting over a year for treatment has increased by a factor of 35 times, from 11,000 to 385,00. That number has reduced by about 10% between March and April.

Now that is a bad number, but its not the millions that you state.

You call us unable to think for ourselves, but you are unable to extract the important message from Sky News report and understand the data behind it.

Its not us who are blinkered.

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-record-high-hospital-waiting-list-in-england-as-5-1m-need-treatment-12329156

I guess there will always be a hard-core of people determined to believe every idiotic conspiracy theory going to justify their refusal and I fear no amount of reassurance will convince them.

I would though like to pick up on a point made by one of the refusers on here when she said she was confident she was safe from the virus as she had a good strong immune system.

I would also say the same about mine, but, (and it’s a very big but) it’s a fact that no matter how fit and healthy we are, as we age our immune system doesn’t function as well as it did when we were young.

This fact has been stated repeatedly since right at the beginning last spring.

I find it strange that these anti vacc’ers accuse people like me me of being indoctrinated in some way when I don’t think there are many people as distrustful of our government as I am! PernillaVanilla. Thank you for running such a caring organisation.

There are a lot of blinkered people on here, unwilling or unable to even dare to think for themselves, blindly obeying the rules without questioning anything.

I think it's an absolute disgrace that there are 5,122 million people currently waiting to have hospital treatments (heart disease cancer, joint replacements, plus many, many more conditions), which is 35 times higher than 2020. Sky news.

Good post Maddyone, just a quick reminder of how easily covid19 can be contracted and how swiftly one can become seriously ill. I hope you continue to recover, and get your life back. I can't even be bothered to discuss the points made by biscuitmuncher and fellow conspiracists; we are all entitled to our thoughts and beliefs, and I believe you are deluded and have been suckered. Get out of the house, switch off Youtube, go for a walk, but not too close to me or mine, if you don't mind.

I run a care service. Every single one of my care staff took up the offer of vaccination last December without having to be asked twice. We all had to travel quite a distance to a hospital to get our second jab and again everyone was eager to attend.
As a charity we are good employers and we recruit using a "Values Based" recruitment system, where people's core beliefs and attitudes are explored. To me anyone who puts their "human rights" before the well being of the vulnerable people they are paid to support is in the wrong job.

FannyCornforth

Thank you for posting that Maddy
Yesterday DH and I were talking about his Covid experience.
He said that on a few occasions (while in hospital) he honestly thought that when he went to sleep, he was not going to wake up

thanks goodness he is ok and you maddyone x

Thank you for posting that Maddy
Yesterday DH and I were talking about his Covid experience.
He said that on a few occasions (while in hospital) he honestly thought that when he went to sleep, he was not going to wake up