Covid vaccinations to be made compulsory for care home staff

Biscuitmuncher says about the vaccine,

…..I’m absolutely terrified of being ill from this one, while I’m not frightened of Covid.

Well you should be! You say you don’t know anyone who has been ill from Covid, so here’s news for you, I was very, very ill from Covid last January. I appreciate you don’t know me personally, but you know me from this forum. With apologies to those who have read about how ill I was before, I will reiterate what happened to me for the benefit of Biscuitmuncher.
I contracted Covid from my 93 year old mother, who I am in a support bubble with, after she had a fall and was hospitalised with a head injury. She picked up Covid in the hospital. We were advised by the hospital that she had tested negative twice and therefore didn’t need to isolate upon her return to her sheltered apartment, but unfortunately that was incorrect. Anyway both my husband and I became ill. I was seriously ill and admitted to hospital after my oxygen levels dropped to 82, a dangerous state of affairs. I was in hospital for twelve days, and treated with a cocktail of nine different drugs and treatments, including being on oxygen almost the whole time. When I was discharged my oxygen levels were still lowish, but sufficiently high to be okay at home. I was in a seriously weakened condition, and couldn’t walk upstairs without stopping to rest twice. I had a lot of chest pains, particularly in the part of my lung where the pneumonia was situated. My consultant told me my lungs were both badly scarred and they may or may not heal. It took me two to three months to get back to normal. My latest chest X-ray shows that luckily for me the scars on my lungs have healed. I’m lucky to still be here. I’m fully aware that there could have been another outcome. So Biscuitmuncher now you do know someone who has had Covid, even if only virtually.

I welcomed my vaccination. It has given me confidence to be able to go about my normal life, as far as I am able to, without fear. I still wear my mask, sanitise, avoid very crowded places, but I go shopping, to a restaurant, and took my little grandson to the cinema to see Peter Rabbit 2. I can live again.
Biscuitmuncher please get your vaccine and the protection it offers. You will not be as ill as I was with Covid from the vaccine. I had a sore arm and a headache, and that was it.

Four people hospitalised!
How are they now?

FannyCornforth I know four people hospitalised from the vaccine, my friend has had horrendous periods way after they'd stopped plus painful rashes

I read that Guardian article earlier growstuff
I couldn't make head nor tail of it...

Good One MOnica. Tim Hartford More or Less this week discussed the inaccuracies of 2020 death stats because of lack of testing availability early on.

Pinkcake You talk abut the false positives, what about the false negatives, people who died of COVID but were not included in the statistics because of inadequate testing in at least the first six months of the epidemic.

You also do not mention the incidence of long COVID, which at least 1 million people, mostly young people, are currently ill with? www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/clinical-areas/pain/over-one-million-people-living-with-long-covid-symptoms-in-uk-finds-ons/

BY the way Pinkcake, you mentioned proudly that you do not watch the news and read the papers, but you do not mention the internet, all those social media memes and trending of lurid tales unsupported by proper scientific research or reference.

If that is the source of your information, od voices come to you in the night, I think I will stick to the news and repurable scientific sources, literature and reports.

NotSpaghetti

growstuff - you are right of course.
Maybe I should have said "I believe Agenda 21 is about sustainable development"!

I'm not pretending to know much about the original Agenda 21, although I'm learning.

What I do know is that it's being used by conspiracy theorists to further their cause.

It seems they see it as a global attempt to control populations. Well, yes, it is a global initiative. There's absolutely nothing wrong with global initiatives to try and solve global problems, such as climate change, poverty, food security and a load of other issues which affect everybody on the planet. In fact, if such issues are to be addressed, they need some form of global co-operation. It seems anti-globalists are only interested in their own "tribe" or even themselves. Essentially, they're selfish and parochial.

growstuff - you are right of course.
Maybe I should have said "I believe Agenda 21 is about sustainable development"!

NotSpaghetti

I'm sorry, I believe Agenda 21 is about sustainable development.

It is.

This article is old, but explains a bit about the anti-Agenda 21 conspiracy theory.

www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2015/jun/24/agenda-21-conspiracy-theory-sustainability

I have to have vaccinations for my job too and it isn't even health or care related.

I think the bakery section of the lizard movement are feeding off the goats aren't they?

Actually I did look up which vaccinations are compulsory for nursing etc and found that they actually arent. They may be presented as compulsory but they are technically "recommended".

A number of vaccines are recommended for healthcare workers—although they are not compulsory—as outlined in Immunisation against Infectious Disease (the “Green Book”).7 These include tetanus, diphtheria, polio, and MMR (measles, mumps, and rubella).

Varicella is recommended for susceptible healthcare workers and BCG for staff who may have close contactwith infectious patients. All healthcare workers with direct patient contact are recommended to have the annual flu vaccine, and in 2020-21 uptake was the highest it has ever been, at 76.3%.

Hepatitis B vaccine is recommended for workers who are at risk of injury from blood contaminated sharp instruments or of being deliberately injured or bitten by patients.

Before I started training as a nurse I had to have a chest X-ray and several booster vaccs, plus hepatitis later. Wasn’t voluntary. Of course at 18 you don’t question these things, just accept as part of risk reduction for you and the patients you deal with. I’m more aware of the ethical questions now but would probably still comply. May not be a requisite now.

I find the anti vac movement quite difficult to understand because as previously posted, there doesn’t appear to be any scientific evidence to back their cause. A good many of us would not be alive today without receiving vaccine protection in the past. Polio, whooping cough, diphtheria, tetanus, measles, rubella, TB and many others. One of the reasons infant mortality has reduced dramatically is because of vaccination.

I'm sorry, I believe Agenda 21 is about sustainable development.

Pink cakes. My post at 09.04. Not from the newspapers, not from the tv.
Did you read it ?

PinkCakes

Some people on here really need to stop watching the news on tv, stop reading the papers, and actually realise what's happening. Sadly, most of you are indoctrinated and it's too late for you

Ok so you tell us what’s happening and how you know if you don’t watch the news or read the newspapers.? I look forward to a full detailed reply with sources, thanks.

If you come in here simply to really annoy people then well done, you have succeeded.

What’s that quote ? “ there’s no cure for…?”

Biscuitmuncher

Lucca I said seriously ill

Was that your reply to me?

My husband was seriously ill following his first vaccine;
in fact we both thought that he would have to be hospitalised again (he had been hospitalised previously with Covid and pneumonia).

The symptoms from the vaccine are proof that your immune system is working correctly. Your antibodies are up and at 'em.

Biscuitmuncher can you answer my question posted at 8.49 please?
Thank you

Lucca I said seriously ill

PinkCakes where do you get your news and current affairs information from? What do you suggest that we read and watch?
Thank you

PinkCakes

Some people on here really need to stop watching the news on tv, stop reading the papers, and actually realise what's happening. Sadly, most of you are indoctrinated and it's too late for you

What's going to happen PinkCakes? Are we all going to be controlled by Bill Gates' chip? Are we all going to morph into lizards? Are we all going to be turned into drones doing the bidding of our evil overlords?

Get a grip.

Tell me, how do we find out what's going on, telepathy? Or watching YouTube videos by paranoid extremists?

I think you'll find Lucca, that all your arguments are invalidated when someone writes FACT in capitals after their made-up assertions.

Some people on here really need to stop watching the news on tv, stop reading the papers, and actually realise what's happening. Sadly, most of you are indoctrinated and it's too late for you

PinkCakes

Lucca Growstuff TeacherAnne

Growstuff Agenda 21 is real, it's not my words - Google it and educate yourself a bit.

Lucca My immune system works wonderfully well, has done for all these years. The recovery rate from Covid is 99%. Of the 127,000 people who died (the actual figure is lower and the government already admitted it a couple of months ago), the average age was 82.5, but all those people died WITH Covid, had tested positive in the prior 28 days. People who had had heart attacks, strokes, cancer, etc., were included in the Covid figures. FACT, not my words.
TeacherAnne I am talking about community care (people in their own homes) and hospitals where the staff is wearing all that gear. I KNOW because I did the job until last September, and I visited my relative only on Monday.

The figures given in the post would suggest that between 0.006% and 0.1% of people who get Covid-19 die, but this cannot be true.

Looking at England and Wales, provisional figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) show 53,675 deaths registered in 2020 had Covid-19 listed as the underlying cause on the death certificate, as of 6 November.

The current population estimate for England and Wales is 59.4 million, meaning that 0.09% of the total population has already died of Covid-19.

That means the fatality rate in England and Wales cannot be lower than this, even if every person in the country had already been infected.

Of course it’s not plausible that everyone in the country has already been infected, which means that the true death rate is significantly higher than this. Scientists estimated that, until the end of June, the actual fatality rate in England was about 0.9%. That’s significantly more deadly than the post suggests.

We have had at least one poster banned for promoting 'fake news'