Covid vaccinations to be made compulsory for care home staff

Biscuitmuncher

I am far more concerned about what's happening to us as a people, how we've all fallen for the fear and what weve been told. Where does it end, hairdressers sacked for not having it? Visitors to care homes not let in if they're not tested? The amount of people I know who've been ill from the vaccine, and I don't know a single person who's been seriously ill from covid

Just how ill have all these people you know been due to the vaccine?
Have they been hospitalised?

Hear, hear Monica. Pink cakes let us know what it's like down the rabbit hole. You are clearly deluded.

Lucca Growstuff TeacherAnne

Growstuff Agenda 21 is real, it's not my words - Google it and educate yourself a bit.

Lucca My immune system works wonderfully well, has done for all these years. The recovery rate from Covid is 99%. Of the 127,000 people who died (the actual figure is lower and the government already admitted it a couple of months ago), the average age was 82.5, but all those people died WITH Covid, had tested positive in the prior 28 days. People who had had heart attacks, strokes, cancer, etc., were included in the Covid figures. FACT, not my words.
TeacherAnne I am talking about community care (people in their own homes) and hospitals where the staff is wearing all that gear. I KNOW because I did the job until last September, and I visited my relative only on Monday.

“ The speed of rolling out these vaccines has nothing to do with less effective controls and testing and everything to do with the unprecedented amounts of money thrown at it, plus the inordinate numbers of willing volunteers for the trials. No research scientist had to go out with the begging bowl this time.”

Exactly.

Surely one of the most convincing arguments against it being a conspiracy regarding the vaccines must be, when have all the world's governments ever co-operated before on anything? Russia, China, USA and Europe all agreeing. Hasn't happened before, doubt it will be frequent in the future. And really, what would be the point in the economic, social and health consequences of effectively shutting down the world for months and months?
The speed of rolling out these vaccines has nothing to do with less effective controls and testing and everything to do with the unprecedented amounts of money thrown at it, plus the inordinate numbers of willing volunteers for the trials. No research scientist had to go out with the begging bowl this time.

Biscuitmuncher, if your only argument is thalidomide, which was not a vaccine and happened over 50 years ago, then you are scraping the barrel in looking for arguments to back your very weak argument.

In this household, far from blindly following anything, we have followed the science and read some of the papers published. As have other people I know.

What I am waiting for is for those who oppose the vaccine to cite the research undertaken and papers published to back their arguments

By the way, as I am sure you knew, because I know you follow the science carefully, the problem with thalidomide was that the drug had not been properly tested and the manufacturer fabricated some of the results.

I can accept that there could be problems with the vaccine, but no one has yet brought forward any evidence to show that and neither have you. Just declarations without support.

I could say that people have developed wings and fins after the vaccine, but until I can put forward the evidence, to prove it, my declaration has no more credence than those who still beleive the earthe is flat.

Biscuitmuncher

Hows it all working out for you all , blindly doing as your told

Do you drive over the speed limit ? Do you have fry ups every morning and fizzy drinks morning noon and night ? Do you throw litter On the streets ? Do you take drugs,? No? So blindly doing what you’re told!

So what exactly are you suggesting? Not a thing I suspect.

As for not knowing a single person who has been ill from Covid, that is just plain bonkers. I know five people.

This attitude makes me so cross. People like you are contributing to prolonging the Covid crisis and stopping me for example from seeing my family abroad.

I lost a good friend to covid only a few weeks ago, I have friends who caught covid in the first wave who still cannot get out of bed due to long covid, one of them is only in her 30s. Its not just the death rate you have to worry about with this, long covid is crippling a lot of previously healthy young people.

I'm seriously needle phobic, I almost put someone through a wall when he tried to give me a local anaesthetic, but I still turned up and had both my jabs.

Biscuitmuncher

So if you have a distrust of a brand new vaccine you're a nutter then? I'm sure thalidomide was tested, that didn't work out too well either

Now you're being silly. How about doing some research? This isn't a brand new vaccine.

Biscuitmuncher

Talullah you seem to have a bit of an obsession with lizards, are you ok

You're the one who's behaving like a frightened rabbit and you seem to want other people to join you. Goodness knows why - maybe you hope it will make you feel better about your own irrational fears.

So if you have a distrust of a brand new vaccine you're a nutter then? I'm sure thalidomide was tested, that didn't work out too well either

Biscuitmuncher

Talullah you seem to have a bit of an obsession with lizards, are you ok

Some of us find certain comments remind us of David Icke…..

Biscuitmuncher

Teacheranne if they've had their vaccine then they're protected

but in the general population in approx 5-10% of recipients, a vaccine will not be effective.
this is true of all vaccines, hence it is important that everyone who can, is vaccinated.
among the frail, ill, or disabled, the effectiveness is likely to be lower, due to impaired immune system.

Talullah you seem to have a bit of an obsession with lizards, are you ok

Biscuitmuncher

Hows it all working out for you all , blindly doing as your told

And what does. that mean? Blindly doing as we're told? What on earth do you mean. Nobody told me to have the jab. I went of my awn accord. My 24 year old daughter is having hers on Friday. So what will happen if all us vaccinated souls turn into lizards? What will the few of you do?

Biscuitmuncher

Teacheranne if they've had their vaccine then they're protected

Biscuitmuncher you don't seem to understand . Yes, many of the care home residents will have had their vaccines. Those brave old people taking a vaccine that you refuse to take o-0
But you must remember that you can still catch and pass on Covid. Albeit on a much lighter scale. People may well have a much milder version and won\t need hospitalisation but it can still be transmissible. So there is no guarantee a carer won't be able to pass the virus on, even if everyone has had the vaccine.You seem to want everyone to be vaccinated to keep you safe. How does that sit with you? My hairdresser wasn't keen but when he saw his clients start to leave what did he do? Had the vaccine. And he's fine. As is everyone I know who's had it. A couple of people felt a bit achey, a few more spoke of sore arms but nothing worth worrying about.

Hows it all working out for you all , blindly doing as your told

Biscuitmuncher

Lucca I'm not an anti vaccer, I've had all my vaccinations so have my children but I'm absolutely terrified of being ill from this one, while I'm not frightened of covid.

Aha! So you're terrified? Don't transfer that fear to other people, just because you can't cope with it. Most of us are quite rational and haven't been brainwashed by lizards.

Biscuitmuncher

I am far more concerned about what's happening to us as a people, how we've all fallen for the fear and what weve been told. Where does it end, hairdressers sacked for not having it? Visitors to care homes not let in if they're not tested? The amount of people I know who've been ill from the vaccine, and I don't know a single person who's been seriously ill from covid

Dream on Biscuitmuncher! You're living in lalaland.

Biscuitmuncher

Amberone you are not telling me that you trust the government and think they've got your best interests at heart!

The two don't need to go together. I trust my own judgment and evaluation of the situation. I don't trust the government, but that doesn't mean it's always wrong.

Why are anti-vaxx/lockdown people so arrogant and think they have some superior knowledge the rest of us are lacking? They're clones of each other in their thinking and their arguments. It's pathetic.

PinkCakes

Doodledog You've hears "Build back better"? All world leaders are saying it. It's to do with Agenda 21. Google it. Johnson himself gave a speech recently, in which he said he hoped every person in the WORLD will be vaccinated by the end of next year.

Good grief! When I was a child, my parents used to buy me comics and I believed in fantasies too. Get real PinkCakes!

Teacheranne if they've had their vaccine then they're protected

Biscuitmuncher

I am far more concerned about what's happening to us as a people, how we've all fallen for the fear and what weve been told. Where does it end, hairdressers sacked for not having it? Visitors to care homes not let in if they're not tested? The amount of people I know who've been ill from the vaccine, and I don't know a single person who's been seriously ill from covid

I don’t want anyone going into my mums care home who is not tested for Covid, it’s not asking a lot and is not an invasive procedure but I think the residents have the right to be protected.

PinkCakes

JaneJudge ALL care workers wear all that gear -I know because I worked as a carer up until last year. Hospital staff and VISITORS wear all that. My sister-in-law is in hospital, in a dementia ward (not a clinical ward, nobody there is physically ill) and I've had to wear a mask, apron and gloves to see her, despite there being only 1 visitor per bay of 6 beds.

That is not the case any more. I visited my mum in her care home today, I did a LFT on arrival then waited for the result. I then only needed to wear a visor, no apron, mask or gloves as the managers at the home believe that human contact with visitors is important to people with dementia. I can hold mums hand, hug her and even kiss her goodbye.

This home have not lost any residents through Covid although some residents did catch it, mum included, last November but luckily none were seriously ill.

All residents bar one, my mum, have been vaccinated but unfortunately my mum refused, told the doctor to bugger off, and despite her lack of capacity, are not allowed to hold her down to force her to have the jab - thank goodness!

Biscuitmuncher

I am far more concerned about what's happening to us as a people, how we've all fallen for the fear and what weve been told. Where does it end, hairdressers sacked for not having it? Visitors to care homes not let in if they're not tested? The amount of people I know who've been ill from the vaccine, and I don't know a single person who's been seriously ill from covid

Well bully for you. Some of us have lost people from covid or know people that are suffering from long covid. How insensitive…..