Covid vaccinations to be made compulsory for care home staff

Visgir1

My sister is a Peripatetic Nurse manager for a Care Home group, ensuring standards and CQC requirements.
They put into place several months ago, no vaccination no job, and definitely no sick pay.
They advised all staff to get it otherwise, they are breaking there updated guidelines, notice and a time frame was given per employment law . Those who refuse left their posts, apparently only a couple of them across the group.
One nurse kicked up a fuss she was aware of the new terms, she continued to refused, they reiterate the need.
Before anything else could take place with her she got Covid. Due to all the advise in place she wanted to do it her way, so they refused to pay her sick any pay.

If she is entitled to statutory sick pay they don't have the choice.

If the care home get infection control grants they are supposed to pay staff to self isolate. I work in a care home and know they have had the funding, if I was refused sick pay I'd be talking to my union.

Biscuitmuncher

Lucca I'm not an anti vaccer, I've had all my vaccinations so have my children but I'm absolutely terrified of being ill from this one, while I'm not frightened of covid.

Why the fear of the vaccine? Where has this come from? Anecdotal evidence from friends who have felt ill afterwards? The evidence proves that becoming ill/dying from Covid is far less likely than any issues with the vaccine. I have my own anecdotal evidence. I know 3 people who died of Covid. Two family members. Their deaths were horrendous. Alone, unable to breathe. Eventually put on ventilators. An awful death. I have friends who work in the NHS. End of life wards where young trainee nurses sat with the dying. You are choosing your fear. But the risks of the disease are so much worse than risks from vaccines. You're not frightened of Covid? If you remain unvaccinated, you should be.

Lucca I'm not an anti vaccer, I've had all my vaccinations so have my children but I'm absolutely terrified of being ill from this one, while I'm not frightened of covid.

I am far more concerned about what's happening to us as a people, how we've all fallen for the fear and what weve been told. Where does it end, hairdressers sacked for not having it? Visitors to care homes not let in if they're not tested? The amount of people I know who've been ill from the vaccine, and I don't know a single person who's been seriously ill from covid

PinkCakes

JaneJudge ALL care workers wear all that gear -I know because I worked as a carer up until last year. Hospital staff and VISITORS wear all that. My sister-in-law is in hospital, in a dementia ward (not a clinical ward, nobody there is physically ill) and I've had to wear a mask, apron and gloves to see her, despite there being only 1 visitor per bay of 6 beds.

I’m trying again to get an answer. What is your objection to the vaccination ? Are you pretending Covid hasn’t killed thousands of people in this country alone ?

Biscuitmuncher

Talullah being vaccinated against a disease so horrendous most people don't know they've got it!

Are you seriously pretending Covid doesn’t exist ?
Have you talked to a medically qualified person about your concerns about the vaccine?
Why are you against it, you still haven’t said.

Biscuitmuncher . I’ll just repeat here what Monica said

“Tell me biscuitmuncher If you were frail and in care or someone very dear to you was old and frail and in care, would you be happy to know that several of the carers looking after you had not been vaccinated against COVID and could give you the disease or your loved one a disease that has a high chance of proving fatal?

Please do not duck this question, the way most vaccine denier/doubters do. Prove you are not another of the gutless womders.”

Talullah being vaccinated against a disease so horrendous most people don't know they've got it!

Biscuitmuncher

Amberone you are not telling me that you trust the government and think they've got your best interests at heart!

It's not just our government that is wanting to vaccinate, Biscuitmuncher. It's the whole world. We are hoping to vaccinate everyone. Can you explain why all governments want to vaccinate the population? How do you think they will benefit? Why would any country want to have all these lockdowns for? You people really baffle me.

When I went into teaching, it was customary to be inoculated against tuberculosis. I don't know if that's still the case. No-one questioned the sense of that. Therefore I don't understand why people working in care homes would question being vaccinated against covid.

Biscuitmuncher

Amberone you are not telling me that you trust the government and think they've got your best interests at heart!

Not Amberone, but I certainly don't trust the government when it comes to their competence or basic humanity; but there's not a binary choice between trusting them and thinking that they are part of a global conspiracy to drag the world back to the middle ages.

Amberone you are not telling me that you trust the government and think they've got your best interests at heart!

JaneJudge ALL care workers wear all that gear -I know because I worked as a carer up until last year. Hospital staff and VISITORS wear all that. My sister-in-law is in hospital, in a dementia ward (not a clinical ward, nobody there is physically ill) and I've had to wear a mask, apron and gloves to see her, despite there being only 1 visitor per bay of 6 beds.

Galaxy

Sorry that response was to Janejudge, I am not joining in the conspiracy stuff

there have been a lot of issues raised with respect to human rights and how they are interpreted throughout this which hasn't been helped by the coronavirus act

Doodledog You've hears "Build back better"? All world leaders are saying it. It's to do with Agenda 21. Google it. Johnson himself gave a speech recently, in which he said he hoped every person in the WORLD will be vaccinated by the end of next year.

Sorry that response was to Janejudge, I am not joining in the conspiracy stuff

PinkCakes

Biscuitmuncher I agree. Unfortunately, many people have listened to the scaremongering in the media, believed this government, and fallen for it all. For a virus with a 99% RECOVERY rate.

As opposed to those who get their information from facebook/youtube/their sister/their neighbour/their dog and choose to believe that ???

Care staff wear masks, aprons and gloves if it is written into a risk assessment and that is generally only whilst doing personal care

I think because issues like this can have repercussions that nobody thought about. What if residents are refusing the vaccine, what then? I have seen bad practice in care services which were often about not respecting the rights of residents, as I am sure you have, there is something about this that makes me uneasy.

Biscuitmuncher It is frightening to see. I really do worry about this terror some people seem to have. A friend of mine still wipes her groceries, refuses to have visitors in her home, and doesn't go anywhere without a mas. At aqua aerobics recently, one woman wore her mask in the water!

PinkCakes

Biscuitmuncher I agree. Unfortunately, many people have listened to the scaremongering in the media, believed this government, and fallen for it all. For a virus with a 99% RECOVERY rate.

What is the motive for the media and the government to want to trick us into getting vaccinated?

Carers (in homes and in the community) have to wear masks, aprons, and gloves, some even wear visors AS WELL. Where exactly is the risk of passing anything on?

PinkCakes people have really fell for the brainwashing and the fear.

sorry to be quite so specific but I think the chatter on here is a bit idealistic and you need to look at what is actually happening anyway

I've had two vaccinations for covid 19 and my daughter who has a severe and complex disability lives in a supported living home with one other resident. I have to take a test 30 minutes before I enter her home, every time and every day I want or need to go there. So I'd expect her carers and support staff to have to do the same as I do, her Mum