Brexit is fast becoming a disaster

GrannyGravy13

Scones

Are people who voted Brexit are happy with the way things are going?

Not particularly, but then again I guess nobody factored in a worldwide pandemic.

Hahaha! Covid isn't to blame for most of the state this country is in. It's a convenient scapegoat.

Blame blame blame
That's the name of the game
When chips are down
Don't trust the clown
He's only interested in fame

I’ve found a brexit bonus. There’s going to be a reduction in the number of fireworks that people can get so, hopefully bonfire night won’t last for 3 months and all the dogs and cats that are terrified will not have to endure it for so long….

eazybee

It would have been very different if the remainers hadn't spent three years trying to overturn a democratic vote; there would have been three years to sort agreements and arrangements out before covid struck.
As it is, Brexit has been in existence for six months.

Talk about victim blaming.

Didn’t help having how many elections during that time? Maybe Johnson (aka Mr Brexit) should have stood for leader when Cameron resigned instead of running away.

GrannyGravy13

Scones

Are people who voted Brexit are happy with the way things are going?

Not particularly, but then again I guess nobody factored in a worldwide pandemic.

And it is such a wonderful excuse isn't it. I wonder how Johnson would cope if he hadn't got covid to blame.

Quite frankly if Brexit had turned out exactly as promised - remember all those lies,- I, and I suspect many others would now be accepting the inevitable. But it hasn’t has it. Brexit is a slow drip drip to disaster. There is absolutely nothing, zero, zilch of benefit to the U.K. and in fact quite the opposite. This time next year it will becoming clear that businesses and the economy is suffering through our inability to trade on a level
playing field with Europe and the RoW.

Growstuff Americans, and Democrats in particular, do not understand that the EU is not a democratic institution like the United States, but is instead run by unelected officials.

Who are you to tell the American's what they "do not understand"? And why do you think that Americans, Democrats or diabolical madman need to understand your made up truths. They will know all they need to know about the EU - there will be some good brains in their administration, just as there is in the EU's.

All they need to know is we no longer have the power of a large block behind us and are, once again, a small country. That and the fact that we are run by a liar who has still to realise that administrative incompetence isn't funny, breaking promises isn't funny, and the belief of personal superiority in relation to voters was never funny.

As an aside.

NI is not short of CO2.

Why?

Because. It is part of the single market.

Sorry, the quote in my last post was not from Growstuff (really sorry) but Urmstongran.

No problem.I was a little puzzled.

Home thoughts from abroad - from one of the countries that is learning more about us day by day.

The CO2 thing is fascinating. One factory = 60% reliance and that it is so crucial. It's as if no one has looked at how everything connects for Britain and that every time a decision is made there is no thought about how that one thread being pulled affects the whole knitting. I always assumed the politicians couldn't be as incompetent as they seem but ...

Don't think other countries don't see exactly what is happening here.

Today DD (I do keep wheeling her out as my resident biochemist) told me she has had an email from BOC warning her that they will be prioritising CO2 for critical medical purposes. Seems to suggest that they don't see a CO2 shortage as scaremongering. A couple of years ago she was bringing dry ice home for her sons to experiment with, Now she's having problems getting it for work.

Johnson looked and sounded pathetic tonight on the news, what a waste of a plane ticket that trip was. He was warned about the implications of disregarding the GFA and dismissing the very hard work of the brave people who brokered it, but like his mindless supporters he dismissed everything he saw negative as "Project Fear". I am trying to decide who angers me more, the liar in chief or the fools who thought it worth having him in charge in order to achieve the economic, social and political disaster that is Brexit.

The worse it gets, the madder I get.

I am trying to decide who angers me more, the liar in chief or the fools who thought it worth having him in charge in order to achieve the economic, social and political disaster that is Brexit.

Aw go on - hate away Gill57. I have broad shoulders....
Yes, I thought it worth voting for Boris. He promised to Get Brexit Done. No-one else was offering.

How people believe Johnson is beyond me- Brexit lies, NHS lies, Covid lies. Global Britain more like solo Britain scrabbling around for scraps from the USA table.

theworriedwell we will never know what the situation here in the U.K. would have been without the emergence of a Global Pandemic.

we will never know what the situation here in the U.K. would have been without the emergence of a Global Pandemic.

Of course we will.

It's a handy excuse that I'm sure Johnson and his team will trot out, especially when it comes to the next election, but it's just not the case.

There are plenty academics and analysts who have the brains to attribute effects to their causes and we'll definitely be able to see what's due to Brexit and what's due to the pandemic.

That excuse won't wash, I'm afraid. Although I'm sure this isn't the last time we'll hear it.

Alegrias1

^we will never know what the situation here in the U.K. would have been without the emergence of a Global Pandemic.^

Of course we will.

It's a handy excuse that I'm sure Johnson and his team will trot out, especially when it comes to the next election, but it's just not the case.

There are plenty academics and analysts who have the brains to attribute effects to their causes and we'll definitely be able to see what's due to Brexit and what's due to the pandemic.

That excuse won't wash, I'm afraid. Although I'm sure this isn't the last time we'll hear it.

I am not using it as an excuse, just stating the obvious.

As for the analysis of cause and affect, let’s hope they are more accurate than the UK’s CMO who predicted 100,000+ cases per day once the Country opened up

But it's not obvious, it's an excuse.

And forecasts aren't the same as analysis after the event.

Although that's a good excuse too isn't it? The public are tired of experts.

And I don't expect Whitty pretends to be any good at economics.

Alegrias1 please can you show where I have said the public are tired of experts ?

I do think that the many conflicting opinions can be confusing and counterproductive.

Gove said that, I'm sure you remember.

I do think there are too may people on TV etc who are experts but whose words get twisted by the media. Such as Whitty's indication that 100,000 was a worst case estimate. Although people do tend to just hear that big number and have a bit of a meltdown.

too many people.

Alegrias1

Gove said that, I'm sure you remember.

I do think there are too may people on TV etc who are experts but whose words get twisted by the media. Such as Whitty's indication that 100,000 was a worst case estimate. Although people do tend to just hear that big number and have a bit of a meltdown.

I tend to agree that there are far too many experts on TV and the media take soundbites . Which is why I tend to watch live interviews wherever possible.

I particularly like Chris Smith (consultant virologist) He does an interactive BBC talk show (The Naked Scientist, not because he is nude but it is stripped back to basics that the general public are more able to digest)