Brexit is fast becoming a disaster

What is the saddest of all, that comes out of those threads- is that the divide on GN reflects the divides in Great Britain. In a way never experienced before, at least for a long time. Perhaps even worse than during the Thatcher's years.

Here it is PippaZ. No sneer intended. But the link is further upthread and it's been pointed out that it's not the paper poppies that are under threat. It's the online shop that sells pens/mugs/scarfs etc etc that is halting the sale to the EU. They don't sell the paper ones.

This is where I got my quote from

inews.co.uk/news/brexit-red-tape-stops-royal-british-legion-selling-poppies-in-the-eu-1059903

Talullah

*I find that depriving our troups of this oportunity to support the Royal British Legion iniquitous, personally.*

You need to read articles and this thread more carefully, PippaZ!

*“There has been no change to the distribution of paper poppies to our members in the EU and we are still sending deliveries to locations in Europe and across the world so that Remembrance activity can take place*

Your post does say this but the link does not take us to any such quote.

However, if you go to www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/poppies-brexit-sold-eu-b1868884.html you will see the article is exactly as I quoted and only posted a day ago. I am sure the British Legion will do all they can - but why should the cost and difficulties fall on them? Was that what we were "promised".

Perhaps you should take your own advice - including the sneer.

Not sure that was the main reason, DinahMo. A million council homes were sold under the right to buy scheme. I think she got more than a million votes.

Not in Scotland we didn't. wink

Very true, Alegrias1

Should be a comma after "No" and perhaps a dash. "No, - "

No people voted in order to buy their council houses. We might not have had so much disaffection now if Thatcher had allowed councils to build new housing with the proceeds of the original sales.

Talullah

That's a good question, Alegrias1. But some would say that Margaret Thatcher was the cause of some industries going to the wall etc, and she was voted in 3 times. So maybe we did?

Not in Scotland we didn't.

Fair point though.

Anyone who doesn't talk about the disastrous effects of Brexit must have no acquaintances in fishing, farming, export of anything, import of anything, educational opportunities in Europe, medical and pharmaceutical research.......but hold the front page.. Corisanda is busy typing up a huge list of advantages for us

GillT57

Corisanda

I'm pretty sure that whatever good news I could tell you re Brexit would be shot down in flames since Remainers appear to be stuck in a quagmire of negativity which has existed for the last five years and many seem to have a death wish for the UK.

well, I have plenty of time to read your massive list of Brexit benefits......off you go......I promise I will not shoot you down in flames......

Some of us have asked, many times - not a single list has appeared. I do wonder why?

My young family and friends talk about Brexit and its disastrous consequences all the time. They are seriously worried, as many of the questions they are asking seem to have no solutions at all. Some of them are from NI and are even more concerned. Many have lost jobs, and seen their dreams shattered, so I beg to differ.

I find that depriving our troups of this oportunity to support the Royal British Legion iniquitous, personally.

You need to read articles and this thread more carefully, PippaZ!

“There has been no change to the distribution of paper poppies to our members in the EU and we are still sending deliveries to locations in Europe and across the world so that Remembrance activity can take place

But surely the point is that the effects of Brexit are going beyond articles in the papers? Covid19 will soon be off the front pages, and maybe, eventually, people will realise what is happening. I admire that you can stay pragmatic Tallulah but I cannot and will never forgive what certain politicians and newspaper owners have done to this country. How we turn it around I am not sure, but just accepting it all as done is not on the cards for me, you see I am one of the 'Give a Toss' group.

Talullah

As for Brexit. We can all find many articles about how disastrous it's been. I voted to stay but it didn't go that way. I am more pragmatic and think that all this talk will fade away and we will settle down. My young colleagues/family aren't mentioning Brexit at all now. It's only on GN that I see much. But I don't go looking for it either. Of course any business that is suffering as a result of this is tragic. But at my ripe old age I've seen many episodes where we had massive unemployment. Jobs being lost. Different industries going to the wall. Life isn't always easy, Brexit or no Brexit.

So we just turn the idea of "for the many not the few" back to the Tory "for the few and not the many" and write it of as "that's what happens"?

Talullah

Whitewavemark2

Some do though, and that is the point.

Which country? I'm genuinely interested.

All we have is a couple people who 'have not' seen them. Why should we extrapolate from this small sample? I doubt they would have seen them unless they are with the Forces overseas, as those in denial would have seen if they had bothered to do the research.

The Royal British Legion will no longer sell poppies in the European Union due to red tape following Brexit, according to reports.

The charity, which provides support to members and veterans of the British Armed Forces, is said to have sent an email to supporters stating it will “need to cease sales to customers in countries in the EU” for the foreseeable future until legislation surrounding Brexit is reviewed.

The i newspaper reported that it could not justify the expense, including customs charges, to send poppies overseas following Britain’s departure from the EU’s customs union on 1 January.

I find that depriving our troups of this oportunity to support the Royal British Legion iniquitous, personally.

That's a good question, Alegrias1. But some would say that Margaret Thatcher was the cause of some industries going to the wall etc, and she was voted in 3 times. So maybe we did?

Did we ever vote before in favour of massive unemployment and jobs being lost, and for industries to go to the wall?

That's the difference.

As for Brexit. We can all find many articles about how disastrous it's been. I voted to stay but it didn't go that way. I am more pragmatic and think that all this talk will fade away and we will settle down. My young colleagues/family aren't mentioning Brexit at all now. It's only on GN that I see much. But I don't go looking for it either. Of course any business that is suffering as a result of this is tragic. But at my ripe old age I've seen many episodes where we had massive unemployment. Jobs being lost. Different industries going to the wall. Life isn't always easy, Brexit or no Brexit.

Corisanda

I'm pretty sure that whatever good news I could tell you re Brexit would be shot down in flames since Remainers appear to be stuck in a quagmire of negativity which has existed for the last five years and many seem to have a death wish for the UK.

Cori
Please tell us some good news, so far all your aspirations have come to nothing as far as I can tell, all those lucrative trade deals - zilch, however I may have missed something.

I am so easily distracted, Gill.

This has all been discussed quite openly, and we should not be distracted by isssues such as avocados taking valuable drinking water, which is wrong of course.

But you started distracting mentioning your FB conversation which reminded me of my South American conversation

Corisanda

I'm pretty sure that whatever good news I could tell you re Brexit would be shot down in flames since Remainers appear to be stuck in a quagmire of negativity which has existed for the last five years and many seem to have a death wish for the UK.

well, I have plenty of time to read your massive list of Brexit benefits......off you go......I promise I will not shoot you down in flames......

Brexit ‘madness’ will wreck UK steel industry, Tories warned-
sector faces glut of cheap imports because of recommendation that EU protections should not be renewed

www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/20/brexit-madness-will-wreck-uk-steel-industry-tories-warned

Tell us some then Corisanda. Real good news please, nothing that can be disproved by 30 seconds on Google.

I'm pretty sure that whatever good news I could tell you re Brexit would be shot down in flames since Remainers appear to be stuck in a quagmire of negativity which has existed for the last five years and many seem to have a death wish for the UK.

ayse

Remainders are not to blame for Brexit!

These leave voters do like to turn things "arse about face", don't they, and worse still the believe the newspeak they come out with.

eazybee

It would have been very different if the remainers hadn't spent three years trying to overturn a democratic vote; there would have been three years to sort agreements and arrangements out before covid struck.
As it is, Brexit has been in existence for six months.

That simply isn't true.

But you live in Australia....