Brexit is fast becoming a disaster

Alegrias1

Bossyrossy

Isn’t there just one Brexit supporter on GN who can tell us the benefits of having left the EU?

I think they've all given up. Because we keep unreasonably asking what the benefits are.

We have to wait and see, remember?

ah and be positive, and trust our wonderful trustworthy PM and Government

of course

MawBe

Biba70 also used to be a prolific poster on the Politics treads, especially those concerning Brexit- should her absence likewise be commented on ?

Could be that’s nobody’s interested.

Dinahmo

Callistemon and GG13

I referred to Urmstongran purely because I would be interested in her response to the latest news about Lord Frost, which has been brought into the discussion above. She has mentioned on many occasions that she has put her faith in him and his abilities as a negotiator.

There is no obligation to post a response and since she is on holiday (which I didn't know) there is little likelihood of a reply to my question.

My comment was not intended to be sarcastic and nor is it.

In that case, I apologise Dinahmo.
Different posters have different posting styles, of course.

Viewing of UK tv programs reduced in EU

.https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/22/lord-frost-we-cant-stop-eu-cutting-amount-of-uk-content-on-european-tv

varian

Viewing of UK tv programs reduced in EU

.https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/22/lord-frost-we-cant-stop-eu-cutting-amount-of-uk-content-on-european-tv

Here's a live link:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/22/lord-frost-we-cant-stop-eu-cutting-amount-of-uk-content-on-european-tv

U.K. manufacturing output volumes in the three months to June grew at the fastest pace on record with order books at their strongest in over 30 years.

Source CBI’s Industrial Trends Survey

GrannyGravy13

U.K. manufacturing output volumes in the three months to June grew at the fastest pace on record with order books at their strongest in over 30 years.

Source CBI’s Industrial Trends Survey

I wonder how much of that is a response to a) covid slowdown, b) for the internal market c) for export?

Manufacturing of what exactly. Other surveys show exports down 60%.

"Five years ago today, Britons voted in a referendum that was meant to bring certainty to the U.K.’s unsettled relationship with its European neighbors, but it most certainly did not"

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/5-years-after-brexit-vote-divided-uk-still-feels-shockwaves-brexit-european-union-britons-boris-johnson-london-b1871052.html

Five years on, we are a more divided society than ever. Party loyalties are weaker than the division between Leavers and Remainers.

"It’s been five years since the morning that we woke up to the referendum result. Five years since we decided something must be done - which was exactly why we set up Best for Britain.

In that time we've taken the government to court (twice!), we've held two prime ministers to account, and successfully campaigned to prevent some of the most damaging aspects of Brexit that could have been, were it not for people like you speaking out alongside us.

But as you know, the fight is far from over. Five years on Best for Britain is still working to make sure negotiators like Lord Frost keep to their word, and do what is right for our country - even if we never wanted to leave in the first place.

We still stand for openness and European cooperation. And we still believe an internationalist voice is needed in British politics."

Best for Britain

www.bestforbritain.org/add_my_name_brussels

MaizieD

GrannyGravy13

U.K. manufacturing output volumes in the three months to June grew at the fastest pace on record with order books at their strongest in over 30 years.

Source CBI’s Industrial Trends Survey

I wonder how much of that is a response to a) covid slowdown, b) for the internal market c) for export?

After the fastest fall on record due to COVID, we have the fastest growth on record. Not quite back yet to where we were, I see.

Lies, damned lies and ..... CBI interpretations.

"Lies, damned lies and .... CBI interpretations" "we have the fastest growth on record" well we do don't we?. The fact we've had the fastest fall on record due to COVID may be the reason for this growth, but the growth is there so where's the lie?

"The pro-Brexit press is starting to write those articles we all knew were on the way... The British economy is not bouncing back from Covid and the lockdown, oh no, this is a 'BREXIT BONANZA'; Global Britain is booming it seems, not because the constraints of Covid are coming to an end but because we have left the EU.

Strange that there doesn’t seem to be a single industry that isn’t complaining about more red tape, higher costs, more restrictions, barriers to trade and staff shortages; but still this is a 'Brexit boom'.

Except it isn’t, we all know that, anyone with an ounce of common sense knows it isn’t. You just have to ask yourself: What has made trade easier in the last six months? What regulations have been eased? What has happened that Brussels would have stymied six months ago? Where are the millions of British workers trained and ready to replace EU immigrants? Where is the money saved from EU contributions being spent to boost growth?"

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/jonty-bloom-on-the-economic-cost-of-brexit-8038224

No lie, but perhaps selective reporting?

The CBI quote focusses on growth rather than the absolute value of manufacturing to the economy. The quote about fastest growth on record is, I suspect, being used to show that all is well and look how successful we are, even after Brexit. Whereas in fact, we are just not quite recovering from the disaster that has struck us. (Covid and Brexit)

Same with the order books being strongest for 30 years; I expect that is due to the latent demand leading to orders that didn't get placed previously being placed now, but the headline is intended to make the reader think that everything is rosy.

Brexit has already driven away an estimated £1.3 tn of assets and jobs. By April, more than 440 finance firms had fled, taking 10% of the UK’s financial sector assets, worth a staggering £900bn! Foreign investment? It’s tanking. We are losing our shirt!

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David Frost: "we didn't realise that the EU would treat us as a non-EU country after we left the EU".

Whitewavemark2

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David Frost: "we didn't realise that the EU would treat us as a non-EU country after we left the EU".

That has to be the quote of the year surely, I mean how could you expect them to understand that leaving the EU would mean we aren't in the EU.

I'd laugh if I wasn't crying.

Wasn't Frost described by one of the Brexitty Gnetters as "brilliant"?

Turns out he's about as brilliant as Dido Harding who said last year that no-one could have foreseen students returning to universities in September.

Whitewavemark2

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David Frost: "we didn't realise that the EU would treat us as a non-EU country after we left the EU".

Did he really say that? I have searched the quote and can't find it.

You couldn't make it up, could you?

We knew what we voted for. But we didn't know what we were voting for.

Tumbleweed from the Brexit supporting quarters....

Talullah

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/24/brexit-campaigners-surprised-by-sour-relations-with-eu-says-lord-frost

Quote: Frost admitted that campaigners for Vote Leave did not anticipate the impact Brexit would have on relations with the countries Boris Johnson consistently refers to as “our friends and neighbours”.

Ah, thanks Alegrias1 So it wasn't an actual quote.

I took it as a paraphrase The whole article is very enlightening.

Asked if the British government had “underestimated what sort of impact” the protocol would have on the movement of goods, Frost hinted this was the case.

I don’t see what is wrong with learning from experience. This is a very unusual agreement and we’ve learned a lot about how economic actors behave …

Any number of posters on this forum could have told them that.

Most of us who have lived in Europe have no recollection of ever seeing poppies for sale there.
I used to live in France, and poppies were always sold at Carcassonne airport.

I was listening to musicians, singers, and people working in the performing arts.

Brexit is very likely to destroy them.