I have just about had enough of these contradictory covid19 regulations.

Thanks maddyone. You are very sensible in your approach, I know that. It’s just all of the anti vacc’ers, people that call masks ‘face nappies’ etc that freak me out! And the fact that this country seems to be the main source of increasing infection rates in other countries. I know the Delta variants started in India but it seems to be our failure to prevent it coming to this country that will probably be instrumental in it causing problems in other countries. It’s as if we never learn from any of the mistakes that have been made.

Thanks Maybee, you’re right of course, and I’m annoyed with BJ because he didn’t put India on the red list in time to prevent this awful situation in Britain. I take hope from the fact that the infections are mainly in the young, who don’t become really with Covid usually. And from the fact that our vaccination programme is racing along. Only two of my family have still to receive their second vaccine, and it’s probably the same for many families.
I need to go on holidays when I can, and meet people where I can, and go out and about, because I have suffered from depression in the past, and I’ve had a couple of wobbles during these last eighteen months. I have to take as much care of my mental health as my physical health. I know that lockdown makes me low, so whilst not doing any big things like Ascot or football matches (not that I ever went to either of them before Covid) I’m doing things to support good mental health. So today we went to a country pub for lunch. We sat in the conservatory and no one else was there. Quite a few people were outside. I felt safe and enjoyed my outing. I hope you’ll feel able to do something like that soon, but if you don’t, it doesn’t matter, you’ll do it when you feel safe enough.

Should say ….really ill with Covid…..

Nothing more to say

There is a new variant Delta+ (mutation of the Indian and south African) and there are hints that it might be vaccine immune to an extent.

Not over until the fat lady sings folks!

Keep wearing the masks and distancing etc.

I certainly understand some people are worried/frightened of the impact if and when 'freedom day' occurs. Just remember back to Mach 2020 when Boris announced at 8.30 pm 'stay home' 'go out only once a day' etc etc. However, all supermarket workers get to work! Now ask yourself, was Boris saying supermarket staff's lives are not as worthy as the rest of the population, or was he saying we are concerned but it is nowhere as deadly as we are making out? I decided then it was so obviously the latter. My opinion has not changed.

Perhaps Boris was saying that no matter what, people have to eat therefore the supermarkets will have to open so that people can buy essential food, safe or not. It is not possible for every household to order food deliveries online.

loveoc good for you.

But I will continue to listen to scientists and my common sense.

Politicians have never cut it - they know no more than we do and we only get an adulterated version from them to suit their political purpose.

I am retired so in the lucky position to be able to make my own mind up, but those working are not so lucky, although I am aware that contrary to calls from Johnson etc, companies are making their own decision about staff etc working from home.
My DD has been told by her company that her job is now a permanent home base as it’s been so successful.
DS is working from home for the foreseeable future as once again it works so well.

I think more people need to be educated in the concept of a risk budget.

The government is not really interested in keeping you, as an individual, "safe" The government is interested in keeping the number of inter-personal transactions as low as possible to stop overwhelming the hospitals and have large mortality rates that they have to take responsibility for.

So in March 2020, those of us who could stay at home needed to stay at home. Those who needed to make sure the country was fed, safe from crime and looked after in hospital, had to go out. There's no inconsistency except for in the minds of people who haven't thought it through.

Whitewavemark2 Definitely good advice. Listen and read scientific evidence for yourself. Then use your common sense. There is being careful and getting on with life and then being overtaken by irrational fear. that is the point I was trying to make. I find it incredibly sad knowing so many people are very lonely through irrational fear.

Why is the thought of catching covid irrational? Maybe fear of being abducted by aliens could be regarded irrational but not fear of catching something that could kill or result in long covid.

MayBee70

Why is the thought of catching covid irrational? Maybe fear of being abducted by aliens could be regarded irrational but not fear of catching something that could kill or result in long covid.

For myself only I have had both vaccinations so Covid killing me or suffering from long Covid is very unlikely.
I would not have attending two vaccination appointments or accepted a vacinne that in itself has some risk be it minimum if I wasnt going to trust it
Everybody is different I personally accept that I am no longer fearful of Covid I am more fearful of being tracked and traced and having to isolate when I feel perfectly fine Hopefully this will change soon as it now has on Jersey no longer a need to isolate but test daily

MayBee70

Why is the thought of catching covid irrational? Maybe fear of being abducted by aliens could be regarded irrational but not fear of catching something that could kill or result in long covid.

Agree

This virus is still very much with us. A child in my DGDs school tested positive and the whole year was sent home for 10 days, even though it was the other class to hers. There are 2 classes to each year. 6 days later a child in her class has now tested positive. So it's a good job they were all sent home to isolate.
Can't understand why the whole football team were not told to isolate. Stupid decision really

I am more fearful of being tracked and traced and having to isolate when I feel perfectly fine.

I totally agree. Despite itching to contribute to this discussion from the start I have sensibly refrained as my view are very much to the “let’s get on with life” direction and very little patience with the “I haven’t stuck my nose out of the door for 15 months” brigade I for one will burn my mask the second it is not illegal to wear it in shops etc.
However I do think it is telling that 600million free LFTests have gone unaccounted for. I have a couple of packets but haven’t opened them and if I did use one under no circumstances would I log the results. It is NOT a NHS track and trace system but a Serco system and I would not trust them with any personal information whatsoever. Neither would I download the T&T app for the same reason. There are too many false contacts being identified and the possibility of a £10.000 fine for leaving the house is ridiculous. I also refuse to provide personal details when out in cafes or restaurants and have always been told that it’s OK if I don’t want to.
I have had both jabs and this nonsense should stop now.

Israel have just reintroduced mask wearing and (I think) social distancing as the infection rate has shot up even with their highly successful vaccination programme. (this from DH: I haven’t read it myself yet). I still remain fearful for Australia given that they have another outbreak. Careful as they have been, with so few people being vaccinated a community spread could literally spread like wildfire.

The contradictions are the problem.

My DD and her OH make their livings running outdoor orchestral concerts which are normally attended by thousands of people. They made nothing last year - all their events were off.

And this year? - they are allowed 4,00 at each concert and have massive problems organising this - keeping concert-goers social distancing, making sure that toilet facilities have the right precautions, dividing the orchestra at safe distances, stewarding the audience's behaviour. All this has to be covered by detailed risk assessments and get past LAs and environmental health - a massive logistical operation over several locations. And once again they will make no money as they are unlikely to reach break-even. They have been working their tripe out to make the concerts happen and keep them alive. They are all exhausted.

And what is happening on one of their concert days?.............140,000 people are going to be allowed to attend the British Grand Prix! Imagine how they feel about this.

There need to be rules, but they need to be the same for everyone.

love0c Have you always been concerned about those who are lonely or suffer from anxiety?

People arriving from nearby European countries have to have PCR test before travelling, then strict quarantine with daily checks from Track and Trace, do day 2 PCR test, then day 8 PCR test again, and have to pay extra on top to do early release PCR test on day 5. Cost about £450 per person.

And yeat many British people expect to be able to go to EU and other holiday places without tests either way or quarantine !!!! and yet the Delta varian is much more prevalent in the UK?

Talk about 'exceptionalism'!

And yeat many British people expect to be able to go to EU and other holiday places without tests either way or quarantine !!!! and yet the Delta varian is much more prevalent in the UK?

Do they?

My understanding is that any EU citizens who has had both vaccinations can travel test an quarantine free anywhere in the EU. If the vaccine is good enough for these people why is it not adequate for us to be able to do the same.
It would be fantastic if my wife and I could actually be able to be in the same country and to be able to travel easily between our homes.

MawBe

^And yeat many British people expect to be able to go to EU and other holiday places without tests either way or quarantine !!!! and yet the Delta varian is much more prevalent in the UK?^

Do they?

I think lots of British people feel that because so many of us have had both jabs, we should be allowed to travel abroad on holiday with our restrictions. That is certainly what friends are saying to me.

But even countries with better vaccination rates than us, like Israel, are now having problems and reintroducing some restrictions. And countries with tighter border controls than us have outbreaks and are having local lockdowns.

I really don’t know what to think at the moment.

Should read “ without restrictions”

Exactly do they
A friend went to Spain for business 3 weeks ago: followed all procedures.
One of his employees will be going to Spain on the 12 July: she will be following all procedures.
A friend will be going to Thailand on business on the 18 July: all procedures will be followed.

Any large event taking place currently is classed as a test event - and visitors need to provide either proof of double vaccination or a negative test. Supposedly the Euro bunch are going to be kept in strict bubbles including accommodation and testing will be regularly used - it at least will be useful in letting us know if we can allow larger capacities for outdoor events.