A question

succintly said thanks.

poshpaws

It truly baffles me that anyone with 2 working brain cells and a minimum supply of morals could even contemplate supporting this government which is composed, it seems to me, of corrupt, self-serving, hypocritical, dishonest bas*ards who care nothing whatsoever about the people of Britain and only about increasing their and their cronies personal wealth. Rees-Mogg in particular gets my deepest contempt, because he pretends to be a Christian whilst flouting all of Jesus' teachings. And don't get me started on the sociopathic, serial adulterer PM who apparently can't tell the difference between truth and lie ...

Well said

And Tony Blair was a wonderful man!

I don’t trust any of them. All you can do is just vote for your MP for the work he does in the constituency, or vote for the party who you agree with at the time.

I trust my MP. I trust my MSP.

I didn't vote for either of them but they seem to be honest people doing the best they can for their constituents and their country.

I also don't think telling people who don't think like me politically that they don't have 2 braincells to rub together is a good style of political debate.

I honestly think many people don't care. Even when you try to point out what is going on, the lies, the corruption, the nepotism they don't want to know. Boris Johnson got Brexit done and we are leading the world (?) in the vaccination programme. And of course, they are all the same so nobody else could have done it better...

I find the apathy appalling. It's all so depressing.

Alegrias1

I trust my MP. I trust my MSP.

I didn't vote for either of them but they seem to be honest people doing the best they can for their constituents and their country.

I also don't think telling people who don't think like me politically that they don't have 2 braincells to rub together is a good style of political debate.

Maybe not, but exasperation at the lack of moral integrity drives me insane.

I always put my X in the box of the person who I think will do best for my constituency, currently they are Conservative.

I could not vote for someone who may/will not put their constituents foremost.

It is a difficult time politically, I am not happy with a lot of the things this Government has done.

I am not going to insult every Conservative MP or voter as I know that there are plenty of good ones out there.

GrannyGravy13

I always put my X in the box of the person who I think will do best for my constituency, currently they are Conservative.

I could not vote for someone who may/will not put their constituents foremost.

It is a difficult time politically, I am not happy with a lot of the things this Government has done.

I am not going to insult every Conservative MP or voter as I know that there are plenty of good ones out there.

When anyone votes for what they say is a good constituent MP they of course vote for the party as well, and knowingly voting for a party leader who completely lacks any moral integrity, has been sacked for lying, has broken the law, lied to the Queen, is corrupt etc. Etc. Then I would fervently hope that they do so with a good deal of hesitancy and reluctance at the very least, with the hope that it will improve. However, understanding now that in fact it has got so much worse and still supporting such trash suggests to me that supporters of such trash are not above doing those things themselves.

I always put my X in the box of the person who I think will do best for my constituency, currently they are Conservative.

I see why you do this, GG13. We all would like to think that our MP is working for their constituency. When they do, and you feel that they are trustworthy, it's a good thing. I note that Alegrias is happy with an MP she didn't vote for because they are working for their constituency.

BUT, and I think it's a big 'but', if the party your MP belongs to is in government, and the government is as corrupt and self serving as our current government, and your MP has to support them, even if what they do is not in the best interests of the country, or their constituents, then there must surely be a point at which the MP's 'good' is overwhelmed by the government's 'bad', surely? (I'm trying to make a general point here, not specific to your circumstances)

How much are you prepared to tolerate? Would you vote tory again for this government?

Toadinthehole ...spot on.??
GG13 ....it’s very patient of you to explain ( when there is no need to) why you vote as you do to a group of complete strangers on a forum, because you won’t really be listened to as witness the above post which spends with an insult to you.
It’s always Groundhog Day on threads about the government or Brexit and has been for years and years.

Ends, not spends ? and ww’s post not Maizie’s....I should have used the quote facility.

Just a bit more on my constituency MP/MSPs.

Neither of them represent the parties in power in either the Westminster or Scottish governments. If either of them was Tory, I'm not sure I would feel the same way. I would probably not be very happy with them, because even if they were representing the constituency I'd think they were so far removed from my attitude to politics that they could never represent me.

A good post @12.52 GG13 "I am not going to insult every Conservative MP or voter as I know that there are plenty of good ones out there"; well said.

It's far more beneficial to any discussion if one can express their opinion/point of view without insulting those they disagree with.

As you say Groundhog Day lemongrove. Is it any wonder that those whose opinions differ to that of the OP and the majority of posters so far on this thread, don't bother to participate.

lemongrove

Ends, not spends ? and ww’s post not Maizie’s....I should have used the quote facility.

Not it doesn’t it ends with my opinion about supporters, who are willing to support Johnson’s government so similar to the sort of tin pot corrupt governments we see throughout world? To my mind those who support such behaviour should not be surprised when their own moral baggage is questioned.

gg13 has already indicated that she doesn’t support Hancock, and also that her support is not necessarily god given if she considers that the government is beyond the pale.

That is exactly my sentiments if this was a party in power that I had voted for. Nothing on this earth would make me vote for such an abysmal shower again, even if it meant I voted for an alternative that did not entirely fulfil my needs.

Smileless2012

A good post @12.52 GG13 "I am not going to insult every Conservative MP or voter as I know that there are plenty of good ones out there"; well said.

It's far more beneficial to any discussion if one can express their opinion/point of view without insulting those they disagree with.

As you say Groundhog Day lemongrove. Is it any wonder that those whose opinions differ to that of the OP and the majority of posters so far on this thread, don't bother to participate.

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I think it reflects the cancel culture much talked about on social media Smileless.

Yes Whitewavemark your opinion and all others are doing is giving theirs and thankfully there are some who are capable of doing so without resorting to personal judgemental comments.

Yes I agree lemongrove.

Smileless2012

Yes Whitewavemark your opinion and all others are doing is giving theirs and thankfully there are some who are capable of doing so without resorting to personal judgemental comments.

I think that if you think about it, every post is being judgemental when talking about this government.

I wouldn’t insult/slur anyone due to their voting intentions/history, I am just not that sort of person.

How could it not be? Yes, I agree about personal comments, 100%.

And yet, without being 'personal'- if someone continues to support a Governement, and individuals within, who have been shown to act in bad faith, fraudulently even, provenly so when it comes to giving contracts to 'mates' and Tory donors, etc. constant lying and deceiving, and going against all guidelines set by themselves- then is it personal to say that if you condone, you become part of it.

is it personal to say that if you condone, you become part of it.

I don't think that is a personal comment.

If a person doesn't condone certain actions, but still supports those doing the actions and has good reasons for doing so, then fair enough.
If they do condone the actions, then of course they are part of it.

I am intrigued that finding out a politician is an adulterer is no longer considered an issue! Let's face it Boris clearly lacks moral fibre in this department but this country voted for him as Prime Minister. The current outcry over Matt Hancock is he didn't practice social distancing when snogging his mistress not that he has been found out as an adulterer.
Maybe it's because Boris is 'what you see is what you get', warts and all that voters have confidence in him. I get the impression he is committed to serving the British people despite his faults. Perhaps the British public are fed up of smooth talking, squeaky clean politicians like May, Cameron and Blair.

GrannyGravy13

I wouldn’t insult/slur anyone due to their voting intentions/history, I am just not that sort of person.

I am.

I would definitely sit in judgement on someone who voted for someone who supports privatisation of the NHS or has a proven track record of corruption or lies or division to the detriment of the U.K. or other things. Just as I would judge someone whose ethos was of honesty, and integrity.

I wouldn’t call Tony Blair squeaky clean. He lied to us all and sent our boys to war unnecessarily. Adultery and mistresses have been around politicians for hundreds of years, as I discovered reading the biographies of various historical leaders. Just some manage to keep it quieter than others. Very disillusioning.

Being judgemental about the government is one thing Whitewavemark, being judgemental about other posters because of the opinions they hold, is totally different, unacceptable, unnecessary and does nothing to enhance the discussion.