A question

DiscoDancer1975

Whitewavemark2

DiscoDancer1975

They have behaved appallingly. I would bet if the boot was on the other foot, ie, we had a Labour government, or any other come to that, we’d be seeing exactly the same thing.
They’re all liars. It’s a necessary requirement for the job!

That’s an interesting remark.

Perhaps you could provide a list from the last Labour government so that we can verify that opinion?

Are you saying the Labour government have never put a foot wrong? You surely know that’s not true! I’m not a Conservative voter....more dissatisfied with all of them. I’m just trying to point out they’re all massively flawed. The sun doesn’t shine out of any of them.

No? I certainly am not. But I am suggesting that you would be hard put to find historically a democratic government in the U.K. so corrupt, immoral etc as this one.

If there is one that comes close I would be very interested to know, just to look at the historical period and the attitude of its supporters.

Kate Andrews says it well, I think.

Alegrias1

Its an interesting phenomenon that even when somebody admits that the Tories have acted despicably, its very often followed by the other lot are just as bad. As though it was no more than we could expect. I do think that maybe many people just don't care and can't see what impact all this has on their day to day lives?

I agree Disco. It’s not about not caring. It’s about taking responsibility for yourself, and not relying on others to do it for you. If Matt Hancock flouts the rules, it doesn’t mean we have to. We have to keep ourselves safe as best we can, and in so doing, the people we love.
We need to stop being shocked by the antics of politicians, and learn to expect them.

Haha! This is good too ?

We need to stop being shocked by the antics of politicians, and learn to expect them.

Statements like this are a red rag to me.

What the hell do people think that government of a nation is supposed to be for?

If they belonged to a club of some sort would they expect the club's committee to lie and cheat, use their membership for personal advantage, and break the rules (the rules that they themselves make) and be perfectly happy for them to do so?

We might as well not bother to have a government at all if all it's going to do is freeload and enrich its friends and supporters at the expense of the country's population.

What has happened to the 'British values' that we're supposedly so proud of? Our government violates all of them and people say we just have to get used to it. It's sickening beyond belief.

Alegrias1

Beckett

To put it another way - how much do people distrust the Labour party that they are prepared to continue to support the Conservatives?

Other parties are available.

But it's like banging your head against a brick wall voting for one of the other parties here.

Don't really bother with politics. Do remember the small matter of 'weapons of mass destruction' that Blair used to take us into war. Didn't the same government steer us into economic failure needing a massive bail out of the banks. Labour were supposed to represent the working man but seemed to follow Thatcher's policy of killing the unions by destroying industry and sending manufacturing jobs abroad.
This government may have faults but they have actioned Brexit, the job they were voted in to do, and are working hard to fight Covid. Now we are ahead of our European partners with vaccination that, God willing, will free us from the stranglehold of Covid.
Is the phrase "can't see the wood for the trees"? No, the behaviour of some individuals in government is not good but overall they seem to have a good handle on things.

Baggs

Alegrias1

Not all laws are equal.

Animal Farm again.

Thou shalt not hug thy grandchildren.

Thou shalt not be allowed visits in a care home from your spouse of many years even when it's one of the few things that would get through your dementia-based confusion and make you happy in your last few months of life.

My DN was allowed to stand and talk to her weeping mother, who has dementia, through an open window throughout a freezing winter and is now allowed to hold her hand once a week (no hugging!) after a Covid test.

In the meantime ...
No, I shall get very indeed if I post any more.

This government may have faults but they have actioned Brexit, the job they were voted in to do, and are working hard to fight Covid.

They have actioned Brexit, which is bringing the country to its knees economically and they have worked hard to let covid run riot in the UK.

Can you think of anything good that they have done for the UK? (Apart from 'vaccines', which are not the be all and end all of a government's responsibility for the nation's citizens)

MaizieD

^This government may have faults but they have actioned Brexit, the job they were voted in to do, and are working hard to fight Covid.^

They have actioned Brexit, which is bringing the country to its knees economically and they have worked hard to let covid run riot in the UK.

Can you think of anything good that they have done for the UK? (Apart from 'vaccines', which are not the be all and end all of a government's responsibility for the nation's citizens)

‘ apart from the vaccines’. You make it sound like an insignificant sideline.

No HolySox the Blair government did not steer the country into economic failure. I really wish I knew how this myth has come to be perpetuated and believed.

Sorry, posted before finished. When we went for our second vaccine, the staff there were praising the government on the good job they’ve done with the vaccine program. We’re well ahead of the rest of the world. There was a buzz of positivity, and I was pleased to witness it.

Toadinthehole

Alegrias1

Its an interesting phenomenon that even when somebody admits that the Tories have acted despicably, its very often followed by the other lot are just as bad. As though it was no more than we could expect. I do think that maybe many people just don't care and can't see what impact all this has on their day to day lives?

I agree Disco. It’s not about not caring. It’s about taking responsibility for yourself, and not relying on others to do it for you. If Matt Hancock flouts the rules, it doesn’t mean we have to. We have to keep ourselves safe as best we can, and in so doing, the people we love.
We need to stop being shocked by the antics of politicians, and learn to expect them.

No, we do not have to expect them. Have our expectations and standards really sunk that low?

midgey

I cannot agree Minimo, this ‘lot’ are truly beyond the pale and yes I’m afraid I did vote for them as I didn’t want Corbin.

Good to hear an honest answer !

growstuff

No HolySox the Blair government did not steer the country into economic failure. I really wish I knew how this myth has come to be perpetuated and believed.

I think Holysox is saying Thatcher steered us into economic failure, but Labour carried on with that policy. I may have read it wrong though.

Toadinthehole

Sorry, posted before finished. When we went for our second vaccine, the staff there were praising the government on the good job they’ve done with the vaccine program. We’re well ahead of the rest of the world. There was a buzz of positivity, and I was pleased to witness it.

Really? When I had my vaccinations, none of the staff made any comments about the government. The people who have done the good job and should be praised for the vaccine programme are part of the NHS, who organised and delivered it.

Toadinthehole

Sorry, posted before finished. When we went for our second vaccine, the staff there were praising the government on the good job they’ve done with the vaccine program. We’re well ahead of the rest of the world. There was a buzz of positivity, and I was pleased to witness it.

What have the vaccines go to do with the Health Secretary flouting the very rules he has given us??

Toadinthehole

MaizieD

This government may have faults but they have actioned Brexit, the job they were voted in to do, and are working hard to fight Covid.

They have actioned Brexit, which is bringing the country to its knees economically and they have worked hard to let covid run riot in the UK.

Can you think of anything good that they have done for the UK? (Apart from 'vaccines', which are not the be all and end all of a government's responsibility for the nation's citizens)

‘ apart from the vaccines’. You make it sound like an insignificant sideline.

It isn't insignificant but it is only one success among a catalogue of complete failure. And we can't be totally confident of its success as the government let the Delta variant in which has every chance of mutating to a vaccine resistant strain as it runs virtually unchecked...

What is more, it is just one small area of government responsibility. Tell me what great successes they've had in the areas of Foreign policy, social welfare, education, climate change etc. etc. All areas for which they should be responsible.

DiscoDancer1975

growstuff

No HolySox the Blair government did not steer the country into economic failure. I really wish I knew how this myth has come to be perpetuated and believed.

I think Holysox is saying Thatcher steered us into economic failure, but Labour carried on with that policy. I may have read it wrong though.

I thought she meant the 2008 crash, which was caused by the sub-prime mortgage market in the US and the crash of Lehmann (amongst others). I guess you think that the Blair government wasn't "socialist" enough.

growstuff

DiscoDancer1975

growstuff

No HolySox the Blair government did not steer the country into economic failure. I really wish I knew how this myth has come to be perpetuated and believed.

I think Holysox is saying Thatcher steered us into economic failure, but Labour carried on with that policy. I may have read it wrong though.

I thought she meant the 2008 crash, which was caused by the sub-prime mortgage market in the US and the crash of Lehmann (amongst others). I guess you think that the Blair government wasn't "socialist" enough.

I don’t think about governments much at all to be honest with you. I’m a Christian, and tend to believe Jesus when He said ‘ trust no man’.
But that’s another thread. I wish you all a pleasant day, Sainsbury’s is calling!

Toadinthehole

Sorry, posted before finished. When we went for our second vaccine, the staff there were praising the government on the good job they’ve done with the vaccine program. We’re well ahead of the rest of the world. There was a buzz of positivity, and I was pleased to witness it.

I'll happily trust the vaccinators and staff on health matters.

Geopolitics, not so much.

Personally I don't care as long as they stay in control .
minimo and your attitude is exactly the problem ‘I will vote for a barrel load of worms to rule the country as long as it’s not Labour’
toadinthehole we are doing well on the vaccine programme because the NHS is managing it NOT the government, everything from track and trace forwards has been diabolically handled by the government and a complete and utter mess
I wish some people would take their rose coloured specs off

BlueBelle

*Personally I don't care as long as they stay in control* .
minimo and your attitude is exactly the problem ‘I will vote for a barrel load of worms to rule the country as long as it’s not Labour’
toadinthehole we are doing well on the vaccine programme because the NHS is managing it NOT the government, everything from track and trace forwards has been diabolically handled by the government and a complete and utter mess
I wish some people would take their rose coloured specs off

I’ve taken them off, and am signing out. It’s so lovely we can all respect each other’s views so graciously!

Callistemon

Alegrias1

Beckett

To put it another way - how much do people distrust the Labour party that they are prepared to continue to support the Conservatives?

Other parties are available.

But it's like banging your head against a brick wall voting for one of the other parties here.

Scotland used to be Labour, of course. Till we all got fed up of it and started voting for somebody else.

Just saying its not worth it, we might as well give up and just not bother with voting at all.

It truly baffles me that anyone with 2 working brain cells and a minimum supply of morals could even contemplate supporting this government which is composed, it seems to me, of corrupt, self-serving, hypocritical, dishonest bas*ards who care nothing whatsoever about the people of Britain and only about increasing their and their cronies personal wealth. Rees-Mogg in particular gets my deepest contempt, because he pretends to be a Christian whilst flouting all of Jesus' teachings. And don't get me started on the sociopathic, serial adulterer PM who apparently can't tell the difference between truth and lie ...