A question

My friend in England , same age, had her vaccination 2 weeks
before me in France and I had my second, 2 weeks before her,
just saying , tortoise and hare spring to mind.

Usually public opinion has brought change. For instance,, Cummings has gone.

That wasn't public opinion. If it was 'public opinion' he'd still be there because the government doesn't give a monkey's about public opinion. It was Carrie Symonds who got rid of Cummings. Johnson had to choose. Advisor or bedwarmer...

Interesting post, though, Holysox, because it illustrates why Johnson is still up in the ratings. It's because people don't take much interest in politics and they don't really know what is going on. Or what is detrimental to the country...

halfpint1

My friend in England , same age, had her vaccination 2 weeks
before me in France and I had my second, 2 weeks before her,
just saying , tortoise and hare spring to mind.

You still have a long way to catch up!

UK fully vaccinated - 48%
France fully vaccinated - 26%

But it's not really a race. We just want as many people to be vaccinated as soon as possible.

Interesting post, though, Holysox, because it illustrates why Johnson is still up in the ratings. It's because people don't take much interest in politics and they don't really know what is going on. Or what is detrimental to the country..

You've hit the nail on the head, MaizieD. Many people just aren't remotely interested.

Talullah

*Interesting post, though, Holysox, because it illustrates why Johnson is still up in the ratings. It's because people don't take much interest in politics and they don't really know what is going on. Or what is detrimental to the country..*

You've hit the nail on the head, MaizieD. Many people just aren't remotely interested.

Problem with people who are interested in politics is they are usually biased. They end up taking one political point of view and often become bigoted. As I said ‘they can’t see the wood for the trees.’ This thread is a good example. As far as I know the current government have been doing a good job supporting the NHS, supporting people financially during lockdown and now getting us vaccinated. A number of posters on this thread just can’t, or won’t, acknowledge this.
This is both of brain cells talking!

Totally agree Holysox. I do think most people are not bothered by politics. This may very well be due to the fact that if they offer any opinion that differs from others, they are immediately slated. This thread...and all threads like them, show this. Posters resort to being unpleasant, and I for one end up taking the ‘ can’t be bothered’, stance. I’m sure I’m not alone.

Ps...well done for getting both your brain cells to work at the same time?

The current government are certainly not doing a good job supporting the NHS.

I think that's what people mean when they get exasperated with some of the attitudes on here. Some minister telling us they're doing a good job supporting the NHS doesn't mean that they are actually supporting the NHS.

BTW - I acknowledged that the vaccine program is going well. I just don't think that has anything to do with Johnson. You know that management thing? Lead, follow, or get out of the way. At least he got out of the way.

They just hold different views to you Holysox that's all.

Alegrias1

The current government are certainly not doing a good job supporting the NHS.

I think that's what people mean when they get exasperated with some of the attitudes on here. Some minister telling us they're doing a good job supporting the NHS doesn't mean that they are actually supporting the NHS.

BTW - I acknowledged that the vaccine program is going well. I just don't think that has anything to do with Johnson. You know that management thing? Lead, follow, or get out of the way. At least he got out of the way.

So it goes wrong it's the fault of the government (comment on track and trace earlier) but if it goes right it is despite the government. Think that just about proves my point.

Galaxy

They just hold different views to you Holysox that's all.

Exactly, they have different views to Holysox. I looked back over the thread and couldn’t see anything undermining any other poster from her.

Galaxy

They just hold different views to you Holysox that's all.

I appreciate that but feel a sense of persecution in suggesting this government may not be as corrupt and incompetent as the OPs original question implies. Loaded question really and a direct insult to any Tory follower to suggest they condone corruption and dishonesty.

Good try. I truly despair of the indoctrination and tribalism that causes people to vote for this disgusting corrupt and ineffective administration. Is it really worth putting up with this shower who obviously despise the electorate just because you have always voted this way? It is laughable to hear Tory politicians answer "but vaccines!" as a reply to everything. The vaccine program was a huge success due to.the hard working the NHS and volunteers and does not excuse or counterbalance the lies,cheating and corruption elsewhere. I am astounded that a group of decent law abiding people are willing to accept behaviour in their government that they would not accept in their family, employers or friends.

Casdon

Holysox you do know that Hungary, which is in the EU is ahead of the UK for total population fully vaccinated already I assume. We aren’t that wonderful.

Come on Casdon ?Hungary has a population of under....
10 million!

And only by 0.1%!

Guess what Gill....I despair of the indoctrination and tribalism from those who are always opposing anything at all that a Conservative government, including the present one does.However, we are all human and have our political/ religious etc biases.If we could keep the debate non personal to posters on here and stick to comments about politicians it would be a good thing, but some just cannot do that it seems.

HolySox

Alegrias1

The current government are certainly not doing a good job supporting the NHS.

I think that's what people mean when they get exasperated with some of the attitudes on here. Some minister telling us they're doing a good job supporting the NHS doesn't mean that they are actually supporting the NHS.

BTW - I acknowledged that the vaccine program is going well. I just don't think that has anything to do with Johnson. You know that management thing? Lead, follow, or get out of the way. At least he got out of the way.

So it goes wrong it's the fault of the government (comment on track and trace earlier) but if it goes right it is despite the government. Think that just about proves my point.

No HolySox, that's not the case.

There are posters here who could quote you chapter and verse about how the NHS had been affected by the last decade or so of Tory government. And that doesn't mean that the Labour governments did any better, but the Tory one certainly didn't get things moving in the right direction.

When you say "Boris is doing a good job with vaccines", he isn't. Johnson is not the government incarnate.

lemongrove

Guess what Gill....I despair of the indoctrination and tribalism from those who are always opposing anything at all that a Conservative government, including the present one does.However, we are all human and have our political/ religious etc biases.If we could keep the debate non personal to posters on here and stick to comments about politicians it would be a good thing, but some just cannot do that it seems.

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Lemon grove I agree. I always appreciate your posts. They are usually well worded and logical.

25Avalon

And only by 0.1%!

Its 2% in fact.

And all this started when someone posted how far ahead of the rest of the world we are. Well we're not. We're doing really well, but why is is always necessary to try to make out we're better than everybody else?

MaizieD

I don't think you'll get much response to your question, Wwmk2.

As silence is usually held to mean 'consent' we might assume that they are perfectly OK with the things you list.

You could say it's a choice between that or the total incompetence of the other side, who might mean well but don't seem capable of steering the ship. I think most voters know that and take the lesser of two evils.

Alegrias. You just said “ we’re doing really well”. That’s progress! I’ll sleep well tonight?

Those of us who consider this government to be pretty appalling have, if you look back, actually stated where they have done something right.

For instance, I remember posting that Johnson had been right to appoint Kate Binghamj, a science graduate with thirty years experience in investing in pharmaceuticals, to run the vaccine programme. They also did well to pass the delivery of the vaccine to local NHS and councils, rather than attempt another disastrous national scheme run by expensive consultants.

We did give them credit for that right decision. Unfortunately it has been just about the only right decision amongst so many dreadful decisions, driven by an obsession with brexit, an inclination to give taxpayers money to "friends" and Tory donors and monumental incompetence.

Chestnut

MaizieD

I don't think you'll get much response to your question, Wwmk2.

As silence is usually held to mean 'consent' we might assume that they are perfectly OK with the things you list.

You could say it's a choice between that or the total incompetence of the other side, who might mean well but don't seem capable of steering the ship. I think most voters know that and take the lesser of two evils.

Chestnut, ??? another brave soul dipping her toe in the water!

You have no evidence that any other party could ever be as totally incompetent as the Tories so obviously are.

Their reputation (if they ever had one) for competence and credibility is long gone.