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Little Britain - the state of England today

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Dinahmo Tue 13-Jul-21 21:36:42

I have picked upon England since I am not as aware of what is going on in the other countries of the Union with regard to the state of the nation.

I've been sitting in my home in France, with tempests outside, watching the Channel 4 News. It was so depressing.

90,000 families living in sub-standard temporary accommodation.

Racism

Water companies deliberately releasing sewage into rivers and sea, despite all the rules and regs and heavy fines.

Cuts to overseas aid - by one of the richest nations.

30,000 children in care moved last year away from their local area, schools, support networks etc, often without prior warning (not on Channel 4)

Cuts in the arts lessons in schools.

Football

We came to France, bought a plot of land and built a house. I guess we were lucky to do so. It was an adventure, something to stop us getting bogged down in our retirement. At the time we didn't intend to stay here but now I'm not so sure. The England that I loved has disappeared.

In the early fifties we moved to Dorset. Parents under 30 with 3 children. We got a council house, possibly because of my Father's job - I don't know. In those days we had one bath a week and didn't have individual towels. The loo was in the bathroom. in the early sixties we moved to a brand new house, with, joy o joy, a second separate loo. Today my house has 3 bedrooms and 3 bath/shower rooms. And at the same time there are tens of thousands of families living in sub standard housing. WHY?

The govt is picking on subjects like Voter ID. statues and BLM because they know that it will stir up a large proportion of the population. But they're not as important as other things that are happening, like the slow but sure privatisation of the NHS. How many of you have only been able to access your GP (if you have one, as we did in times gone by, who knew oneself) by video calls or Zoom or whatever?

The water companies are privately owned so they don't give a toss. Southern Water has been fined £90 million - so much but yet not enough to prevent them from continuing to release sewage into the sea. Channel had a map showing where there were releases along the south coast today. At least a dozen. it's lucky it's raining and there are heavy seas so people won't be swimming there any time soon.

The behaviour of football fans towards supporters of the opposition. Forcing their way into the stands reserved for the Danes and being abusive. Pulling a Danish mother's hair and calling her a whore and spitting at people.

I care about these things and yet I don't live in the UK at the moment. Why aren't you all caring about the wrongs? And, if you do, why aren't you doing something about it?

You can tell me that it's always been like this but I've been on this earth for 74 years and it's about times things changed.

Antonia Tue 20-Jul-21 19:15:36

The immigrants are quite safe in France and should stay there, we cannot afford any more here and don't want them. The country is full and the NHS is at breaking point. There are many ordinary, hard working people on minimum wage in the UK waiting for social housing, we just do not want any uninvited people. They are safe in France , it is our benefits that they are after, I wish they would stop trying to barge in when they are SAFE where they are, let France take of them, it is much bigger and has so much more space. I hope our Home Secretary succeeds in getting the boats towed back.
I find those comments unsavoury and utterly lacking in empathy and compassion. Most immigrants have come from countries where the living conditions are horrendous.
As to them being 'safe' in France, that is certainly not the case. I used to live there and I know from first hand experience that immigrants are not entitled to benefits, they rely mostly on charities. France is well known for its bureaucracy and without the correct paperwork, you are effectively barred from employment and medical care.
In that respect, the UK is a better option. In addition, many immigrants already speak English and not French, which is yet another barrier.

Biscuitmuncher Tue 20-Jul-21 19:43:22

Antonia if the conditions are so awful where they've left, why have they left their wives and mothers there?

Deedaa Tue 20-Jul-21 20:08:32

Biscuitmuncher if these people are being transported by people smugglers they won't be able to afford to bring their wives and mothers. Families raise thousands to try and send one member to the UK for a better life, hoping that one day that better life would be for all of them.

Antonia Tue 20-Jul-21 20:11:10

:43Biscuitmuncher. Antonia if the conditions are so awful where they've left, why have they left their wives and mothers there?
An ill thought out comment. Firstly, I would think many of the migrants are unmarried men. We know that some are unaccompanied minors. Secondly, are you seriously suggesting that old women, or even young ones, can make the perilous journeys that migrants undertake?

Biscuitmuncher Tue 20-Jul-21 20:13:08

Yes they are all unmarried men, economic migrants, wake up

Chewbacca Tue 20-Jul-21 20:21:44

Are you saying that the only people who are truly concerned about what is happening currently in the UK are expats?

I cannot answer for MawB but this is certainly NOT what I'm saying kali2. What I was referring to was those who continually and persistently denigrate England, and it's populace, whilst glossing over similar problems and difficulties in other countries. The apparent continual need to showcase any/every example of the shortcomings of our country, whilst refusing to see that those same problems and difficulties exist, and are prevalent in every country in the world. A good example of this was your post at 21.06 on 18th July; you specifically stated: As for Little Britain, videos of the behaviour after Wembley have been seen all over the world. And now groups of drunken, belligerent idiots abusing and swearing at Police and others in Benidorm- mocking Covid restrictions and emergency lockdown (and many of them not youngsters either^) ^showed again all over the world and Press. Just a minority, of course, but a significant one- giving the whole country such a terrible image. But no one else, including you, has been able to find any evidence of this. To try to add some balance to your claims, I found 2 articles of similar poor COVID behaviour in both Spain and France but you dismissed them as "not being the same at all". Poor, unsavoury and embarrassing behaviour is prevalent in every country in the world, not just England. And kind, compassionate, caring behaviour is found in every county in the world, including England.

If you're unable to acknowledge that, I would have to question why not and what the motive is for your apparent distaste of my country.

Antonia Tue 20-Jul-21 20:24:10

They are migrants, full stop. They are not desperately trying to get to the UK specifically to steal jobs from UK workers. I doubt that the possibility even enters their minds. They are in search of safety, security and a better life than is possible in their home countries.
I'm fully awake, thank you.

Callistemon Tue 20-Jul-21 20:27:24

Biscuitmuncher

Yes they are all unmarried men, economic migrants, wake up

20th July 2021:

Dozens of people, including women and young children, were seen arriving at Dungeness

It's ok, the children have been sent down the mines.
Have to earn their keep.
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Callistemon Tue 20-Jul-21 20:29:53

What I was referring to was those who continually and persistently denigrate England, and it's populace, whilst glossing over similar problems and difficulties in other countries.

It is getting rather boring now, you must admit, Chewbacca

Everything is wrong about England, apparently.

Kali2 Tue 20-Jul-21 20:36:30

Whose country ''the motive is for your apparent distaste of my country.''?

You obviously have not read my posts. A massive majority of the people whose country the UK is- are hugely concerned. Because they love their country, my country too- and despair of what is happening to it recently. And despair of the image portrayed by a small minority- which is the one picked up by the world's press and TV- tragically.

Anyone who loves the UK couldn't stand by and not feel massive sadness at what is being done to it.

It is your country, but it belongs to all of us.

Kamiso Tue 20-Jul-21 20:43:45

What an infuriating and disgraceful post. Trashing the British and Britain.

Final straw for me. Gransnet has plumbed new depths even by their biased and prejudiced standards.

Callistemon Tue 20-Jul-21 20:46:44

It's just a couple or three posters, Kamiso.

There is much that is still wonderful about GB
Even England, although I don't live there ?

MawBe Tue 20-Jul-21 20:49:07

You obviously have not read my posts

Oh we have …. many, many times

Callistemon Tue 20-Jul-21 20:51:25

For years and years and years.

Why?

Chewbacca Tue 20-Jul-21 20:56:30

kali2 I have read all your posts and they don't waiver much at all from your stance that England you rarely refer to Great Britain, actually has more than it's fair share of problems, embarrassing football fans and an unusual degree of COVID deniers who set out to cause trouble with the police. We don't. We have no more, and no less than any other country. And, unlike several countries in the world, we actually have the freedom to do that. You seem to be unaware that the world's press and tv don't focus specifically on England; it does actually investigate and report on other countries in the world too. But you're not at all interested in them are you?

MerylStreep Tue 20-Jul-21 21:05:28

We aren’t the only ones with demonstrators.

www.swissinfo.ch/eng/police-break-up-unauthorised-covid-demonstration-in-central-swiss-town/46521070

Callistemon Tue 20-Jul-21 21:23:27

Oh goodness, yes, the perception is that Switzerland is perfect.
Mountains, lakes, chocolate, happy happy people.

But it has its problems like every country.
Some asylum-seekers, including children, put in freezing-cold steel containers - or ‘reflection rooms’

‘The Government must go beyond thinking these acts of abuse are the actions of a few bad apples’ - Alicia Giraudel

People held in federal asylum centres operated by private security companies in Switzerland have been subjected to a range of abuse at the hands of security guards, including violence and coercive measures, the use of pepper gel and being locked in a metal container resulting in hypothermia, said Amnesty International.

But they do tend to use rubber bullets and tear gas in Switzerland on their football hooligans.

Perhaps we're too soft in the UK . If we clamped down like, for example Switzerland and France, hooligans may think twice before behaving badly again.

Is that thought too authoritarian?

Chewbacca Tue 20-Jul-21 21:27:47

Not authoritarian Callistemon but possibly unpalatable.

MerylStreep Tue 20-Jul-21 21:41:49

And this.

www.france24.com/en/20200616-switzerland-grapples-with-its-own-george-floyd-case

Callistemon Tue 20-Jul-21 23:20:15

In contrast, the death of Mike Ben Peter, a 37-year-old Nigerian man, in Lausanne in March 2018 received little attention beyond the western Swiss city, where it sparked a small demonstration against police violence.

Is racism more acceptable in Switzerland?
Or brushed under the carpet and hidden from the world press?

Rosie51 Wed 21-Jul-21 00:34:33

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Dinahmo Wed 21-Jul-21 12:38:47

Reading the comments above about immigrants I am reminded of a comment from James O'Brien this morning. He said that the number of immigrants coming into the country over the last few years was less than 85,000 lorry drivers that the UK is short of. Perhaps they should be welcomed in and trained as lorry drivers.

Jaxjacky Wed 21-Jul-21 13:34:51

Kali2 this sort of behaviour in the world’s press?
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9788791/French-protest-Emmanuel-Macrons-Covid-pass-new-law-insisting-health-workers-vaccinated.html

Kali2 Wed 21-Jul-21 20:06:57

And that is the point indeed- racism is and always has been much more ingrained in France and Switzerland. Which is why The UK was seen as a beacon of tolerance and open multiculturalism. For many reasons, partly historical- and with the 2 + UK countries mentionned very very different historical and cultural backgrounds. The UK was an example to all for such a long time, way above the rest in so many ways - including police who are trained to difuse rather than inflamme (as so often in France and Switzerland- where confrontation is the norm and makes things so much worse so often. Try and have a friendly chat and joke with the CRS in France, and see how it goes, especially if young and not white. Which is why those who loved what it stood for- find it so desperately sad currently.

Some of you will never see this- but that is OK. Why anyone would want to bring Switzerland into this thread is beyond be- what has it got to do with the OP?

As for demos in France- I will not condone any form of violence, and I totally disagree with this obsession with personal 'freedom'. I totally agree that health workers working with vulnerable people should be vaccinated. And also that to be succesful, a vaccination programme has to have at least 70% take up, and more if possible. So I am not on their side, at all. But at least they are demonstrating for a principle, not just for the hell of it.

Callistemon Wed 21-Jul-21 20:18:08

Why anyone would want to bring Switzerland into this thread is beyond be- what has it got to do with the OP?
Well, we've mentioned England, the RUK, France, Spain, Russia, Eastern Europeans, possibly more nationalities.
Wouldn't want the Swiss to feel left out.
I forgot the Italians - the ones whose football team beat ours. Here's the captain being a little bit unsportsmanlike: