Would the EU ever trust us and want us back???

henetha

I do hope not. I hope we remain independent for ever.

Oh, I love this one, haven't seen it for a while....

Have you tried telling Italy, Spain, Portugal, Sweden all the others.... that they are NOT independent?

Well as it took over 50 years to leave I doubt we’ll be rejoining anytime soon

Independence is a very weird and complex concept - in a modern world where all is interconnected, and we all reply on supply chains, imports and exports, for all goods and energy/services.

This thread is actually more about 'trust and reputation' - be it in Deals or association/s.

As many headlines around the world have been saying this week- Can the UK ever be trusted again?

I haven’t seen any of these many headlines. Can anybody provide some links? I’d like to know some context.

henetha
I do hope not. I hope we remain independent for ever.

No country is fully independent as they are all part of a higher grouping, whether it be NATO, the UN, theEuropean Court of Human Rights etc. Most countries give up a bit of sovereignty.
I think the EU would welcome us back, but would probably wait for a PM more trustworthy than Johnson.

Easy to answer,

No we shouldn’t rejoin.

Yes the EU would have us back for our financial contribution.

I am surprised that you are so sure ... honestly.

Independence and freedom are very complicated concepts, for sure.

As we have seen with the Covid pandemic and vaccination.

Our world has changed so much and we are all inter-dependent- be it industry, agriculture, fishing, energy, medicines and research in every field, workers, imports and exports and routes (especially when an island. Remember the limits of Raab's geography education)- and so much more.

But if you are going to be 'free and independent' whatever that really means in this modern, inter-connected world- you need to be trusted, and for you words and promises to be seen and experienced as being honest and true.

What has happened since Johnson took over, has made the whole world question, or even be sure, that the UK cannot be a trusted partner. Very sad that the reality is, that all of us British are seen as part of this.

No thank you after the way they have and are behaving particularly in NI where a lorry was impounded because the driver didn’t have paperwork for his lunchtime sandwich. Ridiculous!

I haven’t seen any of these many headlines. Can anybody provide some links? I’d like to know some context.

Yes please; I've searched too and can only find COVID, the Olympics, flood damage repairs immigration strategies and climate change. The only reference to UK affairs that I found was how "pinging" is causing the NHS "headaches". Links to the OP would be most appreciated.

GrannyGravy13

Easy to answer,

No we shouldn’t rejoin.

Yes the EU would have us back for our financial contribution.

Yes, what I think too.
Trust doesn’t come into it, as a previous poster has said (*Nanna8*?) no country trusts another without a watertight treaty ( they would be crazy to do otherwise.)
Trust is for friends, lovers and families.

henetha

I do hope not. I hope we remain independent for ever.

Even if it means massive un-employment, shortages of food and essentials?

I hope you are not expecting the next government ( whoever they are) to take us back in Kali as you would be sorely disappointed.

25Avalon

No thank you after the way they have and are behaving particularly in NI where a lorry was impounded because the driver didn’t have paperwork for his lunchtime sandwich. Ridiculous!

So it's still someone else's fault 25Avalon. I wonder if you will ever place it where it truly lies? Probably not as this government will always provide you with someone to blame and hate as all to sado-populists have done.

I don't think they would have us back as a full member of the EU, to be honest. Any agreement they come to with us will tie us up completely as they have no reason whatsoever to trust us. We have a government, run by a man who is not honourable, and this has translated into the world seeing us as a country without honour.

GrannyGravy13

Easy to answer,

No we shouldn’t rejoin.

Yes the EU would have us back for our financial contribution.

As always, a debate/discussion is not complete on GN without someone throwing in the odd strawman argument.

This does not answer the OPs question. I think we have heard quite enough from pro-leave voters, especially now we can see what our government has done to the country. No ifs, no "other" as a whipping boy, this government has completely deminished our county via, in the first instance, the lies about Brexit.

As always, a debate/discussion is not complete on GN without someone throwing in the odd strawman argument

Fair point PippaZ but, as OP said many headlines around the world have been saying this week but hasn't yet responded to requests for links to that, it seems that this is, yet another, dog-whistle OP. Are there any links for this so that those of us who have searched, but cannot find anything, can read up on it?

I don’t have a link but have seen and listened to CNN which is broadcast throughout the world, so I can verify that the OP is correct.

Thanks Whitewave, I'll have a look at CNN.

I do think Keir Starmer would fight to take us back into the Single Market (and that means, free movement - which would help with HGV drivers, agriculture, building, NHS, care, etc) - and fight for a Norway Style option.

As had been said before, if you want independence, best make sure you don't sell all or parts of your major needs and utilities to those you alienate- especially when an Island, or when sandwiched in the middle, like Switzerland.

PippaZ I object to the ridiculous rules and regulations which occurred before we left the EU and now continue with the sandwich incidence. It is tied up with bureaucratic red tape and as Honore de Belzac said “ bureaucracies are giant mechanisms operated by pygmies”.

What is this nonsense about someone else’s fault?

PippaZ virtually every time I post my opinion on the N & P thread you post that I have a straw-man argument .

You fail to understand that it is my opinion, and just that!!! I do not do arguing

Why is it a "dog-whistle OP Chewbacca.

Dog whistle: a subtly aimed political message which is intended for, and can only be understood by, a particular demographic group.

Surely this is the domain of both leavers and Conservatives who apply a different meaning to words to communicate (if that's what we can call it) with the hatred in the groups that they want to support them.

The OP may be busy at the moment - it happens. It was a generalisation so you are free to say this is not what you have seen and move on.

GrannyGravy13

PippaZ virtually every time I post my opinion on the N & P thread you post that I have a straw-man argument .

You fail to understand that it is my opinion, and just that!!! I do not do arguing

So you just throw it in and walk away? This is it and that is all you are going to say? I don't think so - but of course I could be wrong. Perhaps someone is impersonating you from time to time when you ... umm ... reply to those who answer what you say.

PippaZ

Dog whistle: a subtly aimed political message which is intended for, and can only be understood by, a particular demographic group.

Couldn't have put it better myself! A perfect summation.