Would the EU ever trust us and want us back???

How about the German company that falsified the emission rates from it’s diesel cars so it would sell more to people in UK who wanted to help the environment? That was lies and a breach of trust if ever. Can we ever trust the German government or the car manufacturer?

It was Volkswagen. They sell to everyone, not just the UK, and sold the cars in Germany too. As well as pretty much every nation in the world that buys VW.

I don't think the execs of VW got together with Angela Merkel and decided to stick it to the Brits.

Dear God, we're getting into paranoia here, aren't we?

No paranoia from me, just referring to an article from the FT a couple of months ago when I was following the Sarkozy case.
The sentencing of the former president has set off shockwaves in France. The country has some of the highest levels of political mistrust in Europe. In asurveycarried out in January and February in France, Germany, Italy and the UK, French citizens were the most damning of their political class. Some 65 per cent think that elected members and leaders of political parties are “mostly corrupt”; only 42 per cent take that view in Germany and 52 per cent in the UK. Moreover, only 16 per cent of the French trust their political parties versus 17 per cent in Italy, 32 per cent in the UK and 39 per cent in Germany.

Not you Ellianne, no. But the suggestion was made that we can't trust the German government because a German company behaved illegally.

Still deciding if that's xenophobia or not

Alegrias1

Not you Ellianne, no. But the suggestion was made that we can't trust the German government because a German company behaved illegally.

Still deciding if that's xenophobia or not

Difficult one Alegrias. It's back to lumping all and sundry under the one umbrella which only gives a snapshot at one particular time.

Just demonstrating that if one part is untrustworthy it doesn’t necessarily follow that all parts are. Nothing to do with xenophobia.

lemongrove

Starting threads ( constantly!) running down the UK sounds like xenophobia to me.It certainly would be I bet if posters constantly started threads running down just about everything about France.
I really don’t know what posters get out of it....kali you say
“There are truly some unpleasant people on here for sure” well I may agree with you on that but would never say so, just because others don’t agree with me.
I have read your threads ( under all your different names) on here for years, and they all do down the UK for various reasons.

Under all my different names? Ahem! If that's what you think, you're assigning comments to me which I have never written and have nothing to do with me.

As I was saying ... there are some unpleasnat comments on this thread ...

I'll stick with what I wrote because that's the impression I have from following the media in other countries and it addresses the OP. It's nothing to do with what I think of my country.

Lincslass

Whitewavemark2

Ellianne

WWM2
Can I pick up on something said here please? The European Union can only function if it abides by the rules set done and agreed by all its members. It has a reputation for an absolute stickler to the rule book.
Do you mean big rules or little rules affecting the average man on the street. When we lived in France for several years we saw French people ignoring or breaking little rules daily, far more than in the UK. When my husband discussed business with French people he was pretty horrified to hear what they got up to, and the French were equally horrified to hear how honest and above board he was being in his business!

I mean the rules that govern the SM, freedom of movement, cash and goods.

Without those it simply wouldn’t function and the EU is very careful to keep to them.

Regarding the day to day rules regarding internal tax etc, my previous employment meant that I was totally aware of each countries compliance to their own rules. Some are more compliant than others and believe me France is not the most non-compliant. Neither are the British the most compliant. Look at the level of tax evasion etc.

here is the list of tax evading countries, France,Germany, Italy at the top.
www.statista.com/chart/17133/tax-evasion-cost-to-eu-countries, with U K fourth. May be a surprise for some.

But this is about our government, not individual companies. It's hardly a matter of pride to be associated with countries where corruption is a way of life. I used to think the UK was above that. This is about negotiating and signing agreements and going back on them and wanting to renegotiate.

lemongrove

It doesn’t matter if the EU trust us or not, or if we trust them or not for the future because we are extremely unlikely to ever join them again.

That wasn't the question in the OP.

Ellianne

No paranoia from me, just referring to an article from the FT a couple of months ago when I was following the Sarkozy case.
^The sentencing of the former president has set off shockwaves in France. The country has some of the highest levels of political mistrust in Europe. In asurveycarried out in January and February in France, Germany, Italy and the UK, French citizens were the most damning of their political class. Some 65 per cent think that elected members and leaders of political parties are “mostly corrupt”; only 42 per cent take that view in Germany and 52 per cent in the UK. Moreover, only 16 per cent of the French trust their political parties versus 17 per cent in Italy, 32 per cent in the UK and 39 per cent in Germany.^

Hmmm ... I wonder what the French and Germans would make if the current British government were in charge of their countries. Would they have prosecuted them too?

Only 17m out of a population of 67m ever voted for this brexit nonsense.

Most of us would ;love to reverse that ridiculous decision.

Whether our erstwhile EU partners would ever contemplate allowing us to rejoin is another thing.

varian

Only 17m out of a population of 67m ever voted for this brexit nonsense.

Most of us would ;love to reverse that ridiculous decision.

Whether our erstwhile EU partners would ever contemplate allowing us to rejoin is another thing.

I do wish you would stop laying the blame on the 17.4 million who voted to leave the EU.

Shouldn’t you be blaming all those who couldn’t be bothered to vote? You never know they may well have voted to remain…

growstuff why would you think my comments were addressed to you?

GrannyGravy13

varian

Only 17m out of a population of 67m ever voted for this brexit nonsense.

Most of us would ;love to reverse that ridiculous decision.

Whether our erstwhile EU partners would ever contemplate allowing us to rejoin is another thing.

I do wish you would stop laying the blame on the 17.4 million who voted to leave the EU.

Shouldn’t you be blaming all those who couldn’t be bothered to vote? You never know they may well have voted to remain…

Who else can we blame? The liars who conned the 17.4m people?

Shouldn’t you be blaming all those who couldn’t be bothered to vote? You never know they may well have voted to remain…

Yes.

You cannot blame voters for exercising their franchise but you can blame those who just couldn't be bothered to get off their backsides and vote.

You never know there might have been even more votes to leave.

I think that many of the people who didn’t vote chose not to because they had no understanding of what the EU was or what was at risk. The most googled thing after the voting was - what is the EU? — says it all really.

If younger people are blaming older voters then I believe it was younger voters who cba to vote.
And we are told that young people are annoyed with the older generation, blaming them for Brexit.

I am very annoyed with the CBA Brigade who now moan about the fact we left.

Throughout history the UK or parts of it ( the Scots have more sense!)have always had a love hate relationship with various parts of Europe. Perhaps it is going through a hate phase? Sometimes France, sometimes Spain, sometimes Germany, sometimes Russia. Totally reciprocated of course. That was one of the reasons I totally rejoiced when they started the EU, I though it might prevent any future wars. Hah, little did I know.

Why on earth would we want to go back ? I don't think that in 10 years time there will be an E.U.

And we are told that young people are annoyed with the older generation, blaming them for Brexit.

If this holds true, then, despite the hopes of the largely Leave voting generation, there is a fair chance that they will make their way back into the EU once we're out of the way.

Yes, that is the key, I am sure.

Many people were certain that all the EU countries were deeply envious of the U.K. leaving and there would be mass exodus from the EU straight away. Hasn’t happened, they’ve looked at the divisions, the costs, the political chaos caused, now the EU has a high approval rating in most EU countries.

Why even ask the question, we won’t be going back. I for one never trusted the EEC, voted no, done to benefit the major players of France and Germany, those who want their eyes opened should read this excellent book.

Lincslass

Why even ask the question, we won’t be going back. I for one never trusted the EEC, voted no, done to benefit the major players of France and Germany, those who want their eyes opened should read this excellent book.

Thanks Lincslass proof of what I have long suspected. I have ordered a Kindle copy for £3.19. Thank God for Nigel Farage.