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Well of course vets and dentists are still here. They qualify by income level (and presumably applied for leave to stay). The average Polish girl on the cosmetics counter in John Lewis won't even remotely qualify to stay here with her income level.

Whitewavemark2

The failure to align with the EU over standards will allow cosmetic firms to once again use animals.

What new hell is this?

the UK banned it before Europe did. Cosmetics made elsewhere in the world have never been covered but their import might be

orly

Maybe if Remoaners hadn't delayed Brexit for 4 years after the referendum we would be past the initial expected disruption well before the pandemic raised its head.

This takes the biscuit.

Its all our fault chums. All our fault.

More business Brexit problems

Louise Ryder
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Kept our property refurbishment business going for a year by stuffing a storage unit full of materials

Now ground to a halt

SIX MONTH wait for roofing tiles

Timber price UP 80% in six months

Exactly orly. And many of the problems people are so keen to mention are worldwide eg shortages. In actual fact we are making good progress in many things owing to not having to follow shoddy EU rules. The animal testing argument is a fail - it is the case that testing is banned in the UK but if companies sell in China then their products have been tested on animals. You still can buy them (though why anyone would do that beats me). We’re further ahead than EU countries with vaccinations. Had we remained in the EU we would be behind. The employees rights have been awful for years so that’s got nothing to do with Brexit. We voted out so we are out. I wish people would stop banging on about rejoining because it’s not going to happen. Time to move on.

Polarbear2

I’ve tried to type something smart but you know - I don’t have decent words for this any more. It was and still is a criminal thing to do to our country.

Absolutely! My decent words ran out an age ago.

I have just read the article...it seems that if this testing is allowed, it will be in order to comply with what is being required by the European Chemicals Agency of a GERMAN firm! I agree we shouldn't do it but staying in Europe wouldn't have stopped it.

This thread's on the daily email, isn't it?

Louise Ryder
@LJRyder16

Who is Louise Ryder?

My daughter just told me to stop reading this thread as I am incandescent with rage! To be told it’s the remoaners’ fault that it’s such a shamble is utterly beyond me

Well here is a remoaner who would very much like to be told what the actual benefit of Brexit is.
Not: it’s not that bad or
It’s all your fault for not backing Britain or teething troubles etc et .

Put your money where your vote was: what are the benefits?

tumbleweed

Gillycats "shoddy EU rules" - examples please.

Gillycats "We’re further ahead than EU countries with vaccinations."

Today's figures comparing UK with EU:

Full vaccination: Spain 62.01%, UK 58.69%, Italy 56.38%, Germany 55.68% France 50.97%

At least one vaccination: Spain 72.44%, UK 69.43%, France 66.95%, Italy 66.52%, Germany 62.35%

Hardly a slam dunk.

And

Deaths per 1 million of population: Hungary 3074, Czech Republic 2846, Bulgaria 2624, Slovakia 2499, Belgium 2201, Italy 2127, Slovenia 2123, Croatia 2034, Poland 1982, UK 1949, Romania 1773, Spain 1748, Portugal 1705, France 1638, Lithuania 1591, Sweden 1425, Latvia 1338, Greece 1222, Austria 1211, Germany 1104....

Oh, and any shortages etc are not all the fault of covid. I live in France and there are no shortages here. No gaps on the shelves (apart from marmite and U.K. teabags) and no shortages or price rises in building materials either. My family in the U.K. report various things being out of stock in the supermarkets, my son in law who works in the food processing industry reports a shortage of workers now the bulk of the Eastern European workforce has left and my son, who runs a building business reports shortages and big price rises for amongst other things, timber, plaster, cement, blocks and plastics (guttering, pipes, drainage).

All you have to do to be Scottish is move here. I’m a #newscot and so glad we have an opportunity to rejoin the EU that’s apparently denied to my English friends and family.

Well said!

There were many problems with our EU membership but Brexit was simply a convenient hobby horse for the present PM to ride his way to power. There was no plan behind his campaign - only a series of self-serving lies that have brought nothing but long-lasting trouble for us all.

Hi just like to ask about Scotland. What happens if they get to vote and it goes the way it did before and they dont get independance.
Also does the E U want Scotland to join? ( Polite question)

We haven’t gained a single thing from Brexit, but have thrown so much away.

Those who think driver shortage and food and building supply difficulties is solely due to the pandemic should have a look at EU countries who’ve also had a pandemic , they aren’t seeing the same phenomenon. Funny that. Plus we aren’t hearing much news that many EU countries are now equal to or ahead of us in vaccinations.

Petera

Gillycats "shoddy EU rules" - examples please.

Gillycats "We’re further ahead than EU countries with vaccinations."

Today's figures comparing UK with EU:

Full vaccination: Spain 62.01%, UK 58.69%, Italy 56.38%, Germany 55.68% France 50.97%

At least one vaccination: Spain 72.44%, UK 69.43%, France 66.95%, Italy 66.52%, Germany 62.35%

Hardly a slam dunk.

And

Deaths per 1 million of population: Hungary 3074, Czech Republic 2846, Bulgaria 2624, Slovakia 2499, Belgium 2201, Italy 2127, Slovenia 2123, Croatia 2034, Poland 1982, UK 1949, Romania 1773, Spain 1748, Portugal 1705, France 1638, Lithuania 1591, Sweden 1425, Latvia 1338, Greece 1222, Austria 1211, Germany 1104....

Yes, I'd like to know what these 'shoddy EU rules are, please?

Whitewavemark2

Good news about Salt marsh lamb, which of course previously had EU status and was protected throughout Europe.

Now it is protected in the U.K.

That is all.

Yes - but now it will have a union flag symbol on it - and that of course trumps everything.

Fancy those pesky foreigners trying to do things their own way - do they not know that Britain is the world leader in everything.

Whitewavemark2

“As we learn of permanent Kent lorry queues

Remember this…

The s..t is yet to meet the fan as we desperately cling to 6 begged-for, grace periods for:

1) NI Protocol

2) Medicine regs

3) CE Regs

4) Data regs

5) Financial equivalence

6) Chemical regs”

You could add the electricity supply industry, and maybe gas, where our utility supplies are sent across from the mainland via large interconnector cables and pipelines.

GrannyGravy13

Alegrias1

When we were in the EU, we could influence the legislation.

Now we're out, we can't do anything.

Life really isn't as simple as Leavers seem to think it is.

Nor is it as complicated as those who voted remain think.

Hurdles are there but they are not insurmountable, some perspective needed.

The problem though is that those hurdles cannot be debated with other EU member states, and the UK now has to negotiate which will cost this country money. The cost will come through changes to UK legislation, regulations in various regulatory agencies from telecoms to use of UK made equipment - which will not have a CE mark, and not necessarily meet any changed EU standards, which will then need to be modified, at a cost to the maker, and ultimately to me as a consumer.

I would much rather be inside the tent hurling brickbats at the other country that came up with a daft scheme, than paying another fee to join the scheme that we could have amended before it became law.

Whitewavemark2

This

I take it from your image of the Electoral Commission's findings, and the £61,000 fine to the Vote Leave campaign for its law breaking, we should expect a fulsome apology from the Brexiteer camp soon.

Or does being fined for breaking the law constitute an apology by default.

Gillycats

Exactly orly. And many of the problems people are so keen to mention are worldwide eg shortages. In actual fact we are making good progress in many things owing to not having to follow shoddy EU rules. The animal testing argument is a fail - it is the case that testing is banned in the UK but if companies sell in China then their products have been tested on animals. You still can buy them (though why anyone would do that beats me). We’re further ahead than EU countries with vaccinations. Had we remained in the EU we would be behind. The employees rights have been awful for years so that’s got nothing to do with Brexit. We voted out so we are out. I wish people would stop banging on about rejoining because it’s not going to happen. Time to move on.

Are those the same 'worldwide shortages' that took place last year for PPE, when we discovered the out of date stuff was actually in containers at Felixstowe, and then whisked away to a disused railway goods yard in East Anglia.

Brexit has done nothing but harm - economically, socially, culturally and most of all for the reputation of the UK as a whole. The UK will be tarnished for many years as the country under Johnson and with the connivance of Frost, and many, many others sought to renege on its agreements.