Macron and the AZ vaccine

I am genuinely interested to know what people think about the UK vaccination campaign in relation to teenagers. My 15 and 13 year old grandchildren in Spain will have been fully vaccinated when they go back to school. My 15 year old granddaughter in the UK, going into her GCSE year, will not.
There must be other people on here with grandchildren in the 12-17 group and I wonder if you think this could have been managed better?
Is that not a more interesting topic for discussion that something that happened six months ago?

JenniferEccles Macron's remarks were not made in relation to blood clots, which had not arisen as an issue at the time. They were about the lack of early data from the Oxford trials about the effectiveness in older people, (who were under-represented in the trials). When the evidence was available that it was perfectly effective, the first doses in France were targeted at the 60-75 year olds with pre-existing conditions, of whom my husband was one. That was in early March.

Mamie you live in France, so what must be painful for you are any accusations aimed at Macron, however you will have to put up with that.

growstuff ‘parochial’ British news? That made me laugh.
I guess French news is more to your taste ( what with France being in the EU and all.)

theres something strange going on with the teenager group 12 - 18 in the uk
i reckon we are going for herd immunity
judging by the number attending music festivals and clubs over the summer who are getting infected it will be job done by the return to school in september

Me neither Witzend in fact it has always seemed obvious.

It used to be obvious to the hopelessly uninformed that the sun went round the earth. That ended well.

Ooh, look, a squirrel! ?

lemongrove

Mamie you live in France, so what must be painful for you are any accusations aimed at Macron, however you will have to put up with that.

growstuff ‘parochial’ British news? That made me laugh.
I guess French news is more to your taste ( what with France being in the EU and all.)

Why have a go at Mamie? She has only tried to answer with facts.

Macron is as anti- British as they come, plus being an arrogant and unpopular French President, he won’t last long.

i am not having a go at mamie
i am answering her question

maybe that comment wasnt for me
its a bit early

So called facts which can be disputed actually.
I understand that Posters who live in France may feel uncomfortable having Macron dissed, but dissing politicians is what’s done on the news and politics threads.

dissing politicians is what’s done on the news and politics threads.

Well, you know all about dissing.

Lucca

lemongrove

Mamie you live in France, so what must be painful for you are any accusations aimed at Macron, however you will have to put up with that.

growstuff ‘parochial’ British news? That made me laugh.
I guess French news is more to your taste ( what with France being in the EU and all.)

Why have a go at Mamie? She has only tried to answer with facts.

Or have a go at me?

Sounds like a toddler might have hacked into lemongrove's account.

It's a really weird thing to say anyway, it depends on their political persuasion, I dont feel any pain when Johnson is criticised.

As do you growstuff ...you are no stranger to it on the politics pages.

“ So called facts which can be disputed actually.”. Ok, then ..
Macron's remarks were not made in relation to blood clots, which had not arisen as an issue at the time. They were about the lack of early data from the Oxford trials about the effectiveness in older people, (who were under-represented in the trials). When the evidence was available that it was perfectly effective, the first doses in France were targeted at the 60-75 year olds with pre-existing conditions, of whom my husband was one. That was in early March.
Is this incorrect ?

You are sounding very put out growstuff by my amusement of you calling British news ‘parochial’...but it was such a silly thing for you to say.

lemongrove "So called facts which can be disputed actually."

Next phrase to enter this discussion will be "alternative facts".

If they can be disputed, then dispute them.

All the posters who live in France and anyone who voted Remain and are angry about Brexit will naturally take a defensive view of France and Macron.That doesn’t make him any less anti-British and angry about Brexit.
The way he acted and spoke about the AZ vaccine is there for all to see.If you don’t want to see it, then fine by me.
FIN.

mamie being an hour ahead of us has obviously had longer to get her thinking brain into gear
all the dozen or so early rising comments here are just squabbles
come back later for meaningful discussion

or is that strong black french coffee mamie which clears the head

lemongrove

Dear oh dear growstuff !
You obviously didn’t watch the news or read any newspapers, and yes, there are some good reliable newspapers around.
After rubbishing the AZ vaccine, they then realised they had shot themselves in the foot, as people there didn’t want it, and the virus spread unchecked with too few being vaccinated.
Then they decided it was possibly safe after all, demanded consignments already promised to other countries should go to EU countries only, and after all that, it set back their vaccination programmes by miles.

This is true. My 70 year old sister in Germany only got her first vaccine, after all the brooha from Merkel and Macron, in April, two weeks after my second one.

All the posters who live in France and anyone who voted Remain and are angry about Brexit will naturally take a defensive view of France and Macron

Wow. You win the sweeping statement award for today !

Lucca

*All the posters who live in France and anyone who voted Remain and are angry about Brexit will naturally take a defensive view of France and Macron*

Wow. You win the sweeping statement award for today !

... and the silliest!

lemongrove

All the posters who live in France and anyone who voted Remain and are angry about Brexit will naturally take a defensive view of France and Macron.That doesn’t make him any less anti-British and angry about Brexit.
The way he acted and spoke about the AZ vaccine is there for all to see.If you don’t want to see it, then fine by me.
FIN.

Send us a link then.