Macron and the AZ vaccine

I think I have touched a nerve!
Find your own links, there are plenty.I thank you for the sweeping statement award ?I shall keep it on the mantelpiece.

The Lemongrove MO.

Make more and more outrageous statements, mainly involving foreign leaders if possible, decline to corroborate anything, accuse others of being touchy and then think its funny. And possibly end with I'm off, I have many more important things to do than this

This is how Johnson got elected. Everyone thinks its just a big game and all for a laugh.

Yes I await the verbatim account of what he actually said in French with interest Lemongrove.
Thanks Lillie that will be helpful (tea here ?).
I am just bemused about why there is still so much interes in what Macron said or didn't say six months on.
I seem to recall Boris Johnson was reported as saying that the success of the UK vaccine programme was based on capitalism and greed. I didn't think it was correct at the time and I still don't. I don't feel the need to bang on about it. Much more interested in the present and the impact of the UK vaccine programme on my grandchildren.

My two teenage girls 13 and 16 were vaccinated at the end of June. I don’t know whether my 11 year old GS will be before school starts though, as his parents have said it’s his decision. However, he loves sport so that may be a factor to sway him.

My Grandchildren all did a full year at school in masks with vaccinated teachers, no problem. All exams went on as normal . I was vaccinated (no health problems,67 years) 3 weeks after my English friends, without the boasting, given a choice of vaccine astra or phizer,
No problem,still wear mask outside, show my pass sanitaire where necessary,no problem,life pretty normal, aahhhhj

lemongrove Find your own links, there are plenty.

I've just spent half an hour trying and failing, so maybe you could help me out?

Should the UK follow Macron and France's lead on compulsory vaccinations for certain people, and the obligation to be fully vaccinated or in possession of a negative test in lots of other areas? My answer would be yes, but I wonder if everyone lauding the French success would agree.

From the bmj website.

On 12 July the French president, Emmanuel Macron, announced that mandatory vaccination would apply to anyone who comes into contact with vulnerable people, including doctors, nurses, office staff, and volunteers.2 They must be fully vaccinated against the coronavirus by 15 September or will risk not being paid.

Macron added that from 21 July anyone wanting to visit a theatre, cinema, sports venue, or festival involving an audience of more than 50 people would need to show a pass proving that they were either fully vaccinated or had tested negative. From 1 August this requirement will extend to cafes, bars, restaurants, shopping malls, and long distance trains. After his announcement almost a million people, most of them under 35, booked their vaccination.

my daughter and partner went through the tunnel and only had to show passports
they were never asked for proof of vaccination in restaurants or cafes or when shopping in the south of france
so does it depend on the venue and the owner whether you get checked

I think it's mandatory from this week Lillie last week was a period of grace.

The pass sanitaire only applies to the large shopping centres. As for cafés / restaurants, it depends when they were there. The measures have been introduced gradually and local government has also had a role.
Just watching the news and 57% of 12-18 year olds have now had first vaccines. They finished by saying that France has caught up and is about to become one of the most vaccinated countries in the world. That would not have happened without the Pass Sanitaire.
Obviously there have been protests and demonstrations, but polls show that about 70% of the population support the policy.

thanks sodapop

i wont be having the 2nd vaccine, ok call me stupid . but the start of the year i had a full working left kidney (yes i discussed this with my doctor) after the vaccine which attacked my gastric places very much (yes i wrote on the yellow card site) ,and now i only have 57% working left kidney.......am so angry and upset ,that this vaccine has left me worse off than i was .

Rosie51 Of course there are French people against Macron’s stipulations, on how he is handling the pandemic and they take to the streets as usual, another reason he may not be vote in for a second tour, which I think is sad.
I had the AZ vaccine so I am eagerly waiting for a third jab which will include the new variants.

Not so sure Macaron won't be voted in.I watched France info news showing how there are too many
possible candidates so the votes are too thinly spread on the first round and as usual in the second round he
can emerge the victor . I hope so, the man is an economist and knows how to pull away from the last 2 years and he is not afraid of the usual street protest.

I think he would be vulnerable to a good centre right candidate, but there doesn't seem to be one.
The left is in disarray and Le Pen is looking increasingly like a spent force. Macron has higher popularity ratings than any other recent President at this stage of his presidency.
As my U3A students said to me, "we will whinge and complain about him and then we will vote for him".
It is much in line with all the vaccine hesitancy that disappeared when the choice was vaccines or bars.

I am sure the problem you now have with your left kidney must be very upsetting for you moggie57 but have medics categorically told you that the vaccine definitely damaged it?

Mamie, from the BBC website:

The government's vaccine advisors say the benefits of being vaccinated are very small in healthy children. This is because so few children become seriously ill or die from Covid. The JCVI also says the benefit to adults from vaccinating children (to limit the spread of Covid) is unclear as so many vulnerable people have been immunised already. It also says there is no clear evidence that vaccinating children will prevent youngsters from getting long-Covid. However, the JCVI is waiting for more safety and effectiveness data to see if more children should be offered jabs.

Different countries, different scientists, different views. The US for instance is planning to vaccinate children aged 4 and over this in the next few months, and is testing the vaccines for even younger ones.

Yes I was aware of their view Maggiemaybe. Knowing how Covid spread last term in my granddaughters' schools, the disruption to their education, the disruption to working parents and the problems it caused, I am more inclined to think that other countries have got it right. It isn't just about the balance between vaccination and serious illness in teenagers is it? It is also about the wider impact of creating centres of infection.
I am very relieved that my grandchildren in Spain have been vaccinated and concerned for my younger grandaughter in England. The elder one will go to university fully vaccinated which is a relief.
As the UK is starting to do 16 and 17 year olds now, it suggests that the view might be changing. It just seems to be a waste not to have started in the summer holidays.

The vaccination of 16 and 17 year olds began on 6 August in the UK. The quote on the BBC site relates to under 16s. And as the rules re self-isolation have changed, there shouldn’t be any more significant disruption to education.

I’m not a scientist so am happy to listen to the ones that I feel have done a good job here with our vaccine roll-out.

Their education would be disrupted if they get Covid though. I would prefer to avoid that, especially for my granddaughter who has health issues that are not severe enough to allow a vaccination.

Maggiemaybe

The vaccination of 16 and 17 year olds began on 6 August in the UK. The quote on the BBC site relates to under 16s. And as the rules re self-isolation have changed, there shouldn’t be any more significant disruption to education.

I’m not a scientist so am happy to listen to the ones that I feel have done a good job here with our vaccine roll-out.

Has anybody bothered to tell the virus to stop infecting people because the rules re self-isolation have changed?

moggie57

i wont be having the 2nd vaccine, ok call me stupid . but the start of the year i had a full working left kidney (yes i discussed this with my doctor) after the vaccine which attacked my gastric places very much (yes i wrote on the yellow card site) ,and now i only have 57% working left kidney.......am so angry and upset ,that this vaccine has left me worse off than i was .

How was it proved that this was caused by the vaccine? What investigations have you had?

As if anyone thought we would be popular after Brexit. Well, the vote is over, time to look forward not back

This is from Kidney Research UK:

"Do we know enough about the vaccine to know that it is safe in kidney patients?

The kidney experts at the UK Kidney Association (who represent kidney doctors and nurses) have reviewed the evidence and agree that the vaccines are safe for people with kidney disease, on dialysis and who have kidney transplants.

Advice to individual people may vary because people with kidney disease often have other conditions too. What is right for one person may not be right for someone else. Your kidney doctors will know what is best for you so speak to them for more advice."

kidneyresearchuk.org/kidney-health-information/coronavirus-and-kidney-disease/the-covid-19-vaccines-and-kidney-disease/

There is no evidence that the vaccine causes damage to people with healthy kidneys.

On the other hand, there is evidence that being infected with Covid can cause kidney damage.

User7777

As if anyone thought we would be popular after Brexit. Well, the vote is over, time to look forward not back

Have you posted on the wrong thread?