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“Recollections may vary”. Harry and Meghan (again - I know!)

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MawBe Thu 19-Aug-21 07:36:38

This may be a pot shot too far, now they seem to be including the Queen in their self- righteous whingeing.
(Not that I am biased)
Apparently Duke and Duchess of Sussex believe the Queen failed to take “full ownership” of the race allegations made in their interview with Oprah Winfrey, according to the authors of the unauthorised biography Finding Freedom.
A “friend of the couple” (unnamed, of course) has apparently told Omid Scobie and Carolyn Durand that the Queen’s lack of action had prevented the Duke and Duchess from moving on from the claims.
The source also suggested that the Queen’s assertion that “recollections may vary” had not gone down well.
(It did however rank IMHO as one of HM’s all-time greatest bons mots )
The Queen has until now been one of the only senior members of the Royal family to escape the Sussexes’ criticism, but this new epilogue to Finding Freedom, published in People magazine in the US, suggests that the Duke and Duchess feel frustrated that the Duke’s grandmother did not follow through with her promise to address their concerns.
It says: “The Queen’s ‘recollections may vary’ comment ‘did not go unnoticed’ by the couple, who a close source said were ‘not surprised’ that full ownership was not taken
Just one question, if this book is “unauthorised”, does it or does it not reflect their views? Or is it an example of letting somebody else put words in their mouths so that they can deny them afterwards if necessary? All these “unnamed friends,” and “close sources” - aye, right.

Lillie Fri 20-Aug-21 08:34:44

Galaxy

To be fair anything to do with the royal family ends in tears as far as I can see.

yep real tears galaxy for one or other of the couple
harry in this case is my guess

there is some truth in bigberthals comment about being an actress rendered megan far from ideal

actresses can smile for the camera but they can also shed crocodile tears effectively on demand

we just dont know who the real megan is and maybe she plays on that

Alegrias1 Fri 20-Aug-21 08:42:46

Who is the real megan?

I know who Meghan is, but megan? Is it the football player? She plays on a football field.

I think we should be told.

Galaxy Fri 20-Aug-21 08:46:25

To be fair a lot of professions seem unsuited to the royal family or marrying into it anyway.

Galaxy Fri 20-Aug-21 08:47:34

I can shed tears on demand and am not an actress.

Zoejory Fri 20-Aug-21 08:50:27

Galaxy

I can shed tears on demand and am not an actress.

That's a real skill, Galaxy.

Notoriously difficult to do.

Lillie Fri 20-Aug-21 08:52:12

Galaxy

To be fair a lot of professions seem unsuited to the royal family or marrying into it anyway.

that is true galaxy

the real non-actress megan was most evident when she was with the grenfell ladies cooking and at the banana writing event though i cant remember what for

she seemed in her element and very genuine
so how could that have been channelled into good works throughout her royal life

Grany Fri 20-Aug-21 09:27:45

Campaign group Republic has called on the Queen to issue a full apology for the Royal Household's failures on race over the past seven decades.

The call follows revelations in today's Guardian that the household used to ban black and Asian immigrants from staff appointments. The palace also successfully lobbied to be exempted from race laws that ban discrimination in the workplace.

Speaking for Republic, Graham Smith said today:

"These revelations are absolutely appalling. So much for the royal family promoting race relations and strong links across the Commonwealth."

"To hear the Queen actively discriminated against black and Asian employees, and still has the freedom to do so, is shocking."

"The royal family has a long history of questionable attitudes on race, whether Prince Philip's numerous comments while on official engagement's, or accusations being levelled at Prince Andrew, Prince Charles and the Queen Mother."

"These documents show the Queen had specifically lobbied for an exemption and was willing to withhold consent for the law to pass if it wasn't granted."*

"The Queen owes the country a full apology for this and all the Royal Household's failings on race. And the law needs to be changed as soon as possible, to give palace staff the same protections as everyone else."

lemongrove Fri 20-Aug-21 09:49:54

They have an agenda Grany.... and can they prove their claims in any case?
It wouldn’t have been the Queen ( if true anyway) but Palace staff.
Hope the group aren’t holding their breath!

Aveline Fri 20-Aug-21 09:51:32

Actually, lemongrove I hope they are! Obviously, I'm a bad woman!

lemongrove Fri 20-Aug-21 09:54:13

?

Callistemon Fri 20-Aug-21 10:03:44

Aveline

Actually, lemongrove I hope they are! Obviously, I'm a bad woman!

That cheered me up on a dull cloudy morning, Aveline!
?

Mollygo Fri 20-Aug-21 10:18:17

Campaign group Republic has to be seen to be doing something to maintain its existence. Hope no one else has any skeletons in their cupboard.

maddyone Fri 20-Aug-21 10:31:03

I bet everyone has at least one skeleton in their cupboard grin

Anniebach Fri 20-Aug-21 10:31:21

Accusations levelled at ? all accusations are true ?

Surely not grany you are a very strong supporter of an ex
party leader who was accused of anti semitism ?

Grany Fri 20-Aug-21 11:14:59

The Queen's PR firm, Farrer & Co, do not like journalists asking about possible money-laundering on one of the Queen's tax shelters.

In addition, Jersey hosts a branch of Coutts Crown Dependencies, the global offshore wealth manager that is private banker to the queen. Prominently, the queen herself was exposed by the Paradise Papers, as the leaked records showed her partaking of her far-flung offshore empire as Duchy of Lancaster. The monarch’s representatives were forced to admit for the first time in 2017 that she not only was investing in offshore financial vehicles but was well aware of it.

One of the toughest things about addressing the problems of the island is that it’s run by a confoundingly absent queen. “I often look at how we’re governing Jersey and say, ‘This is crazy,’” (say Higgins who was elected to Jersey parliament in 2008)There are things going on here that we don’t understand and can’t control. After 12 years in parliament, there are times I still don’t really know who’s running this island.”

Several years ago, Christensen, head of London’s Tax Justice Network, sat down and wrote a letter to the queen, exhorting her to take a stronger role within her sprawling constellation of tax shelters, crown dependencies, overseas territories, and secrecy jurisdictions, which, he noted, are among the most powerful on the planet. He was blunt, if dreadfully polite.

“I urge you,” he wrote, “as head of state of all these territories, to exert all possible influence to address one of the most harmful faultlines in the global economy.”

Extraordinarily, the queen, through a senior correspondence officer, wrote back. “The queen’s position as a constitutional sovereign precludes her from intervening in matters such as this,” the letter stated. “Thank you for taking the time and trouble to write as you did.”

Christensen was not impressed. “These places are undermining the global economy, so she cannot wash her hands of this role as monarch of all these tax shelters and head of state,” he says.

It doesn’t help, he adds, that she’s also directly reaping the benefits of her tax shelters.

“When the head of state is doing nothing and has offshore structures hiding her own money from tax, it does not pass the smell test,” he says. “A fish rots from the head.”

The queen does not involve herself in our constitution so what is she there for as a HoS pointless.

25Avalon Fri 20-Aug-21 11:46:33

Grany Farrer & Co are actually a high quality law firm, not PR, which makes them all the more difficult to deal with.

Visgir1 Fri 20-Aug-21 12:03:22

25Avalon

Grany Farrer & Co are actually a high quality law firm, not PR, which makes them all the more difficult to deal with.

Is this the same company sorting the Prince Andrew mess?

Grany Fri 20-Aug-21 12:40:17

Farrer & Co considers itself a "full-service" firm for the British elite and "HNW" (high net worth) crowd, offering financial, legal, public relations and other services. One of those services provided for RF & Prince Andrew this week was this: Lawyers acting for the queen wrote to major British newspapers warning them against taking or publishing pictures of the royals at Balmoral the same day that Andrew arrived there.

Leah McGrath Goodman
Interestingly, Farrer & Co's Julian Pike is listed on a trust with Prince Andrew, Duke of York As a journalist, I would like to ask, how many others at Farrer & Co have financial ties to the
@RoyalFamily
even as Farrer & Co does PR for the Queen and her kids?

25Avalon Fri 20-Aug-21 12:56:40

When we first moved here my then neighbour widow of a well known celebrity used Farrers to demand we pay for the shared driveway.They were most certainly not easy to deal with. I would imagine they are handling PA’s case.

Anniebach Fri 20-Aug-21 13:24:17

Who would want photographs of their family in their garden
published in newspapers.

Alegrias1 Fri 20-Aug-21 13:27:46

.

Sparklefizz Fri 20-Aug-21 13:37:40

Beautiful photo of Charlotte taken and released by her Mum. Nothing wrong with that.

Alegrias1 Fri 20-Aug-21 13:39:41

Nope, nothing at all. Picture of (part of) their family in the garden which was published in newspapers. smile

Anniebach Fri 20-Aug-21 13:56:27

The photograph was taken by her mother to support the
Big Butterfly Count for Butterfly Conservation .

Big difference to a newspaper photographer snooping in a private garden

lemongrove Fri 20-Aug-21 14:04:13

Yes, completely different Annie in this case it’s the family’s choice.