Is Starmer finally getting his team together to fight back?

Starmer on Marr this morning was awful. Why is he throwing women and children under the bus. I just don't understand him. He is supposed to be intelligent, but obviously failed biology at school.

I had hoped, that if the LP won the next GE ( they must do at some point surely!) then with Keir Starmer as PM and Reeves as Chancellor that meant a reliable duo.
However, with the far left nipping at their heels the whole time, will either of them be still in place in a few years ?
The last GE was a wipe out for the LP and yet the far left wish to repeat that ( seemingly).

I don't think Starmer believes this anyway. Do you think that Trans people will be very unpopular with women, if the changes to the GRA are successful? People can't change sex we know.

and that will benefit women? Are you sure? Or ERG and Tories?

Until Starmer changes his view that TWAW, he will lose a lot of women's votes, as he should.

And in the meantime, people who think as I do get accused of being Tories by some, and far left by others- which is so ironical and actually quite funny, in a weird way.

''If your only route to power is Conservatism - climbing over the working classes, trampling on the poor - then you have power without principles, and this is a power simply not worth having.''

and there we are - no wonder some of us are totally despairing, and the Tories laughing all the way, despite their abysmal failure.

And the vast majority sold down the river, again and again.

Murdoch has got Starmer exactly where he wants him. Corbyn wouldn’t give Murdoch an inch.

If your only route to power is Conservatism - climbing over the working classes, trampling on the poor - then you have power without principles, and this is a power simply not worth having.

This Labour Party will be remembered for all of the wrong reasons. When the country needed an opposition to this Tory Covid nightmare, it got an opposition to the socialists within the Labour Party. Why?

I published this blistering resignation letter from Councillor Stephen Smith a couple of days ago. I do not think you will find a much better take down of the abysmally ineffective Starmer, and the cabal of galoots that he has chosen to surround himself with.

Starmer has had an absolutely disastrous and humiliating week, and I cannot seeing it getting much better in the near future. Can you?

The Labour Party has an insurmountable problem, from where I am sitting. If you manage to get rid of the unelectable leader there is every chance he will be replaced by a figure to the right of him.

The Labour Party will not win an election by lamely attempting to out-Tory the Tories, and they will not win an election by throwing punches towards the left, because the British left will long outlive the era of Starmer, and whatever right-wing nonsense that is likely to follow Starmer’s demise.

You will not get the Tories out of government until you get the Tories out of the Labour Party.

It’s not a particularly controversial point of view.

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In any other European country, the Left, Centre and Right would be separated in different factions- but the unique British First Past the Post system makes that impossible in UK. This is the REALITY, pure and simple. A divided Left will mean the Tories back- however appalling and destructive their policies and actions.

If all on the Left refuse to see that, and unite- it will result in divide and rule. The Tories know that, and the tabloid Press will help them achieve just that, as last time. Last time it was anti-semitism- this time it will be .... your guess is as good as mine.

Result?

trisher you consider Gordon Brown to be a Tory , how wrong you are.

Dear Keir: Starmer’s Record Destroyed By Resigning Councillor
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Asked about nationalisation

Can anyone tell us what exactly what this world of difference between nationalisation and bringing assets into public hands is?

Or is this just lying bollocks from Starmer.

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Perhaps this is true- and then? Where does that take us?

The idea that Centre Left with Starmer (and extreme left will never be an option again, the world has changed) - is the same as the ERG's extreme right- is just absolute nonsense. To say Starmer will achieve nothing more or different to Johnson and ERG is ludicrous, shameful even, sorry.

What 'job' is the extreme left doing? Where will it lead Labour- and all of us with it, in the real world?

So sit on that principled pedestal - that will achieve great things (not) I am sure.

If you listen to Ken Loach what you will be allowed is either another Tory government or a Labour government which is Tory in all but name, because the powers that be and Murdoch know full well that the British public likes to change the government from time to time, so the best thing to do is build a Labour party that won't change anything. And there is Starmer doing the job for them.

I think there is probably some truth in the lawyer thing Pippa, I want him to have courage, but courage is a rare quality I think. I think he is a decent man, with more decency in his little finger than Johnson but I dont know if it's enough. I also was of the view from very early on that his job was to make progress with the labour party rather than to be PM, I think that is probably for the next person.

They will gain what they gained in the last election and we will
have another tory government.

Yep - and what will the Labour Left gain in all this ... at the end of the day. And all of us left at the mercy of those desperately inept, selfish and worse, Tories?

Starmer is between a rock and a hard place, tories to the right of him, the far left to the left of him

Annie, I agree ''No, we lost because of Corbyn and the far left cannot accept they caused the death of the Labour Party.''

Johnson and Tories in real trouble now- but the priority for many in Labour is to fight each other- and allow Tories to continue to destroy the country.

Yes, I do, I truly do, despair.

I wonder if Starmer suffers from being trained in the law? "Never offer a statement that can later be held against you"? I haven't heard him say "no comment" as an answer but he does sometime look as if he would like to.

However, I don't think we have seen enough to know the measure of him yet - covid hasn't helped - and I do like to give them time so I can know what they stand for.

GrannyGravy13

Riverwalk

I didn't watch Andrew Marr - was Starmer asked about Rosie Duffield who had to stay away from the conference for her own safety?

Yes he was, not very forthcoming.

Why does that not surprise me.

He really is a dead loss - know wonder Rayner is riding high, despite her lack of polish. Mind you, she's hardly been a support to Duffield.

I saw Keir Starmer on Marr this morning. He certainly looked very dapper and I am sure that would appeal to some voters who think appearances are of prime importance. However, I get frustrated watching him being interviewed because he invariably dodges difficult questions. I know most politicians do that to some degree but he seems to do it all the time and there are important issues that need to be clarified. This perpetual lack of forthrightness puts me off. I was never much of a fan but I was hoping he would work out OK. With recent developments, I am very unhappy at the direction the party appears to be going in.

"The wrong type of Jew" is an expression that has been used by Jewish people who are not supportive of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians to describe how they are characterised by people and organisations who are unconditionally supportive of Israel. It is saying that only certain Jewish people are canvassed for their opinions and those Jewish people who criticise Israel have been called "self hating Jews". To imply that Grany is anti-semitic for posting that link is, in my opinion, disingenuous and misleading.

Rosie Duffield had to stay away , Ruth Smeeth had to have a police guard in 2016

No, we lost because of Corbyn and the far left cannot accept
they caused the death of the Labour Party.

Anniebach

The Labour Party. Born 1900 , died 2015.

Would have won the GE in 2017 if it hadn't been for right wing activists within the party acting against it.