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Now is the winter of Britain’s discontent

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Whitewavemark2 Sat 02-Oct-21 15:57:09

Day after day there are articles like this in the worlds press.

Kali2 Tue 05-Oct-21 14:05:01

Inflation is a massive concern for all and will probably eat up any salary increases and more. When Laura Kuensberg turns on Johnson, you know he is in trouble

fb.watch/8s1jZQ0qO5/

Kali2 Mon 04-Oct-21 17:01:47

Us Grannies do seem to be very divided Pippa ;)

PippaZ Mon 04-Oct-21 09:58:29

You had me worried their Kali. I thought the "take our country back" lot had turned into the United Motherland!

Kali2 Sun 03-Oct-21 17:23:39

UK (oh why has this site not got an 'edit' option).

Kali2 Sun 03-Oct-21 17:09:06

Why would they come to the UM now?

Kali2 Sun 03-Oct-21 17:08:17

MerylStreep- what is your point here?

At least at home, they are ... at home! But most will choose to work in other parts of Europe, not too far from home, but with better conditions and salaries.

Jillyjosie Sun 03-Oct-21 16:45:20

Where does that point about Bulgarian HGV drivers come from MerylStreep because I heard an interview on the radio the other day with Eastern European HGV drivers saying how well paid they were in Europe and how disgusting facilities were in the UK and they were happy enough to stay away.

MerylStreep Sun 03-Oct-21 16:11:19

Kali2

''to suit us where needed.''

for that to happen, is for those people to be prepared to work and live in unsecure conditions, bad conditions, no respect, and tons of hassle- very few will put up with that despite a high temporary salary- just to suit Brexiters who sent them packing.

The picture you paint is exactly what employees in Eastern Europe experience every day.
Do you know what a Bulgarian HGV driver earns. It’s a pittance.
A lot of them do the job in their own country because they can earn money through corruption.

Kali2 Sun 03-Oct-21 16:03:57

I know- I watched it. And he was smirking, barely able to stop laughing. He is just sick.

Greta Sun 03-Oct-21 16:03:06

I thought Boris Johnson looked uncomfortable on the Andrew Marr show this morning. So he should. He repeated the claim that our economy is growing faster than in any G7 country. The fact of course is that we took a bigger hit than the others but that is just a boring detail so let's just skip it.

I've also learnt from him today that the UK is world-leading in logistics. Really? I tend to dismiss anything the PM says that includes 'world-leading'. Do we as a nation suffer from delusion of grandeur?

Alegrias1 Sun 03-Oct-21 16:00:01

Well the answer from our esteemed leader on Marr this morning Kali2 was that animals get killed for the food industry anyway.

He's a disgrace, honestly he is.

Kali2 Sun 03-Oct-21 15:54:22

Those poor farmers- I just can't imagine.

What method will they use? Will they be able to abide by the strict rules set, eg not in sight of each other, proper stunning, etc?

Farmers do NOT have the skills or expertise, or the conditions on the farm, to do this properly and humanely (not that it is anyhow, even in the 'proper' conditions and by experienced people). How will they recover mentally and emotionally from having to do this. It just does not bear thinking about!

Whitewavemark2 Sun 03-Oct-21 15:53:09

lemongrove

I thought that you were a teacher whitewave and Alegrias surely you told us you were a ‘scientist’ ?

Whatever gave you that idea? But frankly does it matter?

Alegrias1 Sun 03-Oct-21 15:48:48

lemongrove

Mokryna there is a shortage of CO2 used to stun animals in abattoirs, rather than a shortage of butchers, or so it has been reported.
If we want good meat products where animals are treated humanely and we want the workers to be paid decently then the general public will have to pay more and should do.

Butcher shortage causes backlog of 120,000 pigs that 'should have been slaughtered and eaten by now'

news.sky.com/story/mass-pig-cull-threatened-by-butcher-shortage-warns-industry-body-12422886

Kali2 Sun 03-Oct-21 15:48:06

And in the meantime? How do you think those extra pigs are going to be treated and killed humanely, on the farm. Out of sight of each other, and in proper humane conditions?

You don't just decide this is going to happen from one week, one month, to the next. It has to be planned over years.

lemongrove Sun 03-Oct-21 15:45:56

Mokryna there is a shortage of CO2 used to stun animals in abattoirs, rather than a shortage of butchers, or so it has been reported.
If we want good meat products where animals are treated humanely and we want the workers to be paid decently then the general public will have to pay more and should do.

lemongrove Sun 03-Oct-21 15:41:34

Alegrias1

Here's the thing....

People can do many jobs in their lives. People who are scientists even move into industry.

Imagine!

Sometimes on GN.....it’s hard to imagine, quite frankly 😁but I can try.

lemongrove Sun 03-Oct-21 15:39:53

Kali2

''to suit us where needed.''

for that to happen, is for those people to be prepared to work and live in unsecure conditions, bad conditions, no respect, and tons of hassle- very few will put up with that despite a high temporary salary- just to suit Brexiters who sent them packing.

Depends which country they come from, it’s a chance to earn more money here than they could make at home.

mokryna Sun 03-Oct-21 15:39:29

Kali2

gree, I don't like turkey either.

There should be plenty of pork available, cheap ... gammon perhaps.

Firstly. A farmer spoke on radio 4 this morning saying pork had already been culled. Food going to waste because there wasn’t enough butchers.
Secondly. He added that the UK will buy from Europe at a more expensive price. Meaning, that EU food going to the UK making it more expensive for the innocent ordinary European in the street, because of Johnson.

Alegrias1 Sun 03-Oct-21 15:38:37

Here's the thing....

People can do many jobs in their lives. People who are scientists even move into industry.

Imagine!

lemongrove Sun 03-Oct-21 15:38:28

No harm in saying you use Mr Google for info, but when a poster with real knowledge comes along such as GG13 then you have to listen.

lemongrove Sun 03-Oct-21 15:36:56

I thought that you were a teacher whitewave and Alegrias surely you told us you were a ‘scientist’ ?

Alegrias1 Sun 03-Oct-21 15:30:34

Part of the problem for the US is the introduction at the end of 2017 of the Electronic Logging Device which is basically a simplified version of the EU's digital tachograph. The control of driver's hours in a country which traditionally looks at truckers as kings of the road, along with the strong influence of the haulage unions, made this introduction quite fraught and meant that many drivers left the industry.

However the entirely different road infrastructure of the US makes the use of autonomous vehicles much more suitable, so that will probably alleviate the situation there regarding the need for long distance truckers.

No googling required smile

Whitewavemark2 Sun 03-Oct-21 15:26:00

lemongrove

GG13 Since you have been running a company for a long time, I think I can trust what you are saying rather than anyone who has just been doing a bit of googling.
Where did all these haulier experts come from on here all of a sudden?
We all know the HGV driver shortage is a problem for many countries including the US ( they haven’t had Brexit!)
Anyone who voted to leave the EU bloc wanted better conditions for anyone living and working in the UK with immigration ( from EU and non EU countries) to suit us where needed.

Believe me I don’t need to google.

Kali2 Sun 03-Oct-21 15:24:07

''to suit us where needed.''

for that to happen, is for those people to be prepared to work and live in unsecure conditions, bad conditions, no respect, and tons of hassle- very few will put up with that despite a high temporary salary- just to suit Brexiters who sent them packing.