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This government has acted in bad faith

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Whitewavemark2 Wed 13-Oct-21 10:19:06

Cummings has said that it was always the intention that this ragbag of a government would renege on the Brexit agreement.

There is no other government in our lifetime that has behaved like this.

They lied to the country and to the co-signatories.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 13-Oct-21 10:31:05

Someone in the Tory party who understood.

Smileless2012 Wed 13-Oct-21 10:34:06

The man's a liar and I for one have no interest in what he has to say.

MerylStreep Wed 13-Oct-21 10:34:24

Dominic Cummings lied to the country. So now we are expected to believe him ?
But only if it suits your agenda.

Katie59 Wed 13-Oct-21 10:34:48

That was obvious from day one, the way they were squirming around trying to get out the agreement. Classic, just like children, they are trying to get out of the NI protocol now, the EU are having none of it.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 13-Oct-21 10:35:49

Smileless2012

The man's a liar and I for one have no interest in what he has to say.

Nor I.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 13-Oct-21 10:38:36

Those who refuse to accept what Cummings has said have not been listening. It was obvious that this treaty was never going to work. Johnson was told right from the announcement if his “oven ready” deal, but they pushed it through without due diligence by Parliament because they knew that it doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 13-Oct-21 10:41:32

Yesterday Frost said that the government has drawn up proposals for the NI protocol.

But I notice that they have not yet been published.

Chewbacca Wed 13-Oct-21 10:43:02

Cummings is a lying, dishonest, corrupt little weasel who wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on the arse.

Urmstongran Wed 13-Oct-21 10:46:00

I always thought that would be the plan. It got Brexit done ✅
Now back round the table to make the deal more considerate for the whole of the UK.

The EU have already given 50% concessions on some aspect of trade checks. The situation was untenable and they must have agreed that otherwise they wouldn’t have budged.

Smileless2012 Wed 13-Oct-21 10:51:26

I refuse to accept what Cumming's says because he's an embittered liar Whitewavemark, and I don't remember you hanging on his every word when he was a member of the Government.

lemongrove Wed 13-Oct-21 11:19:43

It’s all different now😄Cummings is held up as Mr Nice Guy through the ‘my enemy’s enemy is my friend’ theme.

Katie59 you are wrong as it happens, the EU is now in conciliatory mode over NI.

MerylStreep Wed 13-Oct-21 11:19:52

Whitewavemark2

Yesterday Frost said that the government has drawn up proposals for the NI protocol.

But I notice that they have not yet been published.

But I notice that they have not yet been published
Probably because the eu commission have to read it, then the 27 countries, then Uncle Tom cobbly and his wife and then we might get an answer.

MaizieD Wed 13-Oct-21 11:33:30

MerylStreep

Dominic Cummings lied to the country. So now we are expected to believe him ?
But only if it suits your agenda.

Indeed he did, Meryl. He was the director of Vote Leave, wasn't he? Initiator of the many lies disseminated in the Vote Leave campaign. Lies believed by thousands, even millions, and quite often cited on these forums over the past few years.

Ironically, his assertion now that an international treaty was signed by our government with every intention of breaking it and that Johnson lied to the country (at Cumming's instigation) in order to win the 2019 election, is most likely to be the truth. From his tweeting and blogging it is evident that he's very proud of himself for doing it.

vegansrock Wed 13-Oct-21 11:37:46

Funny those who now say Cummings is a liar were defending him to the hilt when he was Johnson’s advisor .

Whitewavemark2 Wed 13-Oct-21 11:39:30

Condemning Cummings as a liar - is a bit rich when people support the biggest liar we have ever had as PM.

Hypocrisy!

Smileless2012 Wed 13-Oct-21 11:41:43

Hypocrisy, that's a bit rich Whitewavemark.

I've never defended Cummings vegansrock, never liked or trusted him.

foxie48 Wed 13-Oct-21 11:54:44

Neither Cummings nor Johnson can be trusted but the situation in NI is not workable so it's in everyone's interests that another solution is found. I've never been one to cut my nose of to spite my face and although I dislike liars, feel uncomfortable about reneging on an agreement we need to find another solution.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 13-Oct-21 12:04:54

The point is that Johnson was told that it would be unworkable, anyone with half a brain knew that.

They knew that the agreement was unworkable, but they forced it through Parliament claiming untruthfully that it was a workable oven ready deal, whilst knowing that they were lying to Parliament and the electorate and acting in bad faith towards the EU.

Urmstongran Wed 13-Oct-21 12:08:40

Big deal. Countries like France are always breaking international law. Cutting Northern Ireland off from the rest of the UK was never going to be sustainable in regard to maintaining peace. And we all know the EU will never put up a hard border, just as one will never be erected by the UK.

MaizieD Wed 13-Oct-21 12:09:36

foxie48

Neither Cummings nor Johnson can be trusted but the situation in NI is not workable so it's in everyone's interests that another solution is found. I've never been one to cut my nose of to spite my face and although I dislike liars, feel uncomfortable about reneging on an agreement we need to find another solution.

The situation in NI is far better than the situation in the rest of the UK. They are still in the single market and, now that they've readjusted their supply chains, don't have the shortages we're experiencing.

So, what is bad about it? Apart from the fact that the DUP don't like it and it is showing the stark difference between the effects of Johnson's hard Brexit and remaining in the Single Market?

GillT57 Wed 13-Oct-21 12:10:26

So Urmonstongran, you happily went along with this deceit, these lies? I am no fan of Cummings, but I am confused as to why some people call him out as a liar, but happily accept every lie from the PM?

MaizieD Wed 13-Oct-21 12:10:47

Urmstongran

Big deal. Countries like France are always breaking international law. Cutting Northern Ireland off from the rest of the UK was never going to be sustainable in regard to maintaining peace. And we all know the EU will never put up a hard border, just as one will never be erected by the UK.

Lots of people break the law on speeding, Ug. Shall we lobby to have it abolished?

Urmstongran Wed 13-Oct-21 12:18:25

This is all about the EU wanting to control NI and making it as difficult as possible. An agreement, no matter who signed it, has no value of it fails to achieve it's objective.

Yes I am happy the agreement is (in part) being renegotiated. It didn’t come down on a tablet of stone by Moses.

GillT57 Wed 13-Oct-21 12:32:41

Jesus wept. Doesn't trust between nations mean anything to you Urm? One day, and it will be soon I think, when the GFA falls apart and the 'troubles' kick off again, car bombs and all those dreadful things.....on that day I shall remind you and your supporters of the cavalier attitude you had to what was a life saving agreement, negotiated by people who put their personal feelings aside for the better of the nation, people like the late Mo Mowlam. And yes, this is relevant to what you are saying about the NI trade agreement.