Brexit finally being recognised as one of the causes of the crises

Not everyone who voted to remain is a Labour voter, rabid or otherwise, many Tories also had the good sense to vote to remain, and many decent Tory MPs were hounded out of office because they went against the Johnson diktat, and there are Labour MPs like Kate Hoey who was a very vociferous Brexit supporter.

Talking of Banking, it was that and the probable losing of Scotland made me vote to Remain.
I feel progressively pessimistic about Brexit. I can't see how it will work. We are already bringing in foreign labour and you will never stop illegal immigration. This Country is too fond of waving the flag and thinking themselves above all others; wonderfully epitomised by our dishevelled charlaton of a PM>

Voting patterns have shifted. The Tory party has transformed itself into Brexit/UKIP parties so isn’t the same party any longer. Professional people more likely to vote Labour/ LD and lower income / working class more likely to vote Tory than in the past. Will be interesting to see if this pattern is maintained.

My other half voted leave purely on the immigration issues ?‍♀️ He regrets it now as he admits he was sucked in by Farage who, in turn, bullied the ineffectual Cameron to hold a referendum !
I honestly do not recall a less organised government than this one ! 11 years in power and we are in the biggest crisis ever while BJ sunbathes!
As I have said before, none of this is in my name !

Discodancer75

''We have to think about the younger people now, and their futures''

YES, YES AND MORE YES - Brexit is destroying their opportunities, their chances, their country, their futures. Brexit is a catastrophy for them - and they do NOT want it. So I am thinking of them day in, day out.

I did a lot of vote remain and then people’s vote campaigning and it was very much cross party. The people most angry with the government were actually Conservative Party members, some of whom said the party had been ‘taken over by a load of second rate journalists’. They said brexit would be disastrous for the country and they were right. Look at the decent Conservatives that have since left the party.

I think it is incumbent upon thinking, patriotic people to question the reasons the UK gave up an enviably preferential and influential position in the EU for some abstract concept of sovereignty. In an age of climate crisis, why swap your nearest trading partners for distant uncertain deals. My common sense tells me it comes down to money and power. Who would benefit from such an obviously damaging step? The billionaire Tory donors and media tycoons who hide their wealth in offshore accounts and certainly don't want the Eu chasing them down for taxes. Those Russian Tory donors with close links to Putin who would love nothing better than the weakening of Europe.
There was never any reasonable justification for Brexit. It was orchestrated and driven by a fanatical few who used the fascist playback to scare ordinary people who only read headlines.
There are many scary reasons to interrogate that Brexit decision.

I agree graycat

One of the most damning features of the Vote Leave governments' response is the failure of the "Russia report" to investigate Kremlin interference in the Brexit vote.

Russia used hundreds of fake accounts to tweet about Brexit,

Researchers find that accounts run from a St Petersburg troll farm tried to sow discord between Britons over the referendum

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/14/how-400-russia-run-fake-accounts-posted-bogus-brexit-tweets

DiscoDancer1975

Ps...just to try and level off, we don’t know anyone who voted to remain. We would say we have working class roots, but have led a middle class lifestyle, so know all sorts of people from those backgrounds, including all the people we’ve met through church over the last 25 years.

No one voted to remain.

How sad.

DiscoDancer1975

Alegrias1

I lost my job. Company closed down and moved to the EU. Husband's source of contracts dried up, he doesn't have any now.

Several friends went home, I'll probably not see them again.

Will that do UG?

Ahh... so it’s very personal for you, and I get it. Sorry to hear that. My husband was affected as well. He was working on European research projects ( semi retired).

However, it’s about the greater good...eventually, for everyone. Much like the vaccine. Some people will have been affected by it. Very ill in some cases. The majority will be advantaged, which is what we want isn’t it?

We have to think about the younger people now, and their futures, but I do appreciate why you’re angry.

Surely the greater good would have been to have remained in the EU, especially for the young people who have been used to freedom of movement for work and study.

Dinahmo

DiscoDancer1975

Ps...just to try and level off, we don’t know anyone who voted to remain. We would say we have working class roots, but have led a middle class lifestyle, so know all sorts of people from those backgrounds, including all the people we’ve met through church over the last 25 years.

No one voted to remain.

How sad.

... and how insular and incredible, truly.

I’m old enough to remember life before we joined the blasted EU or EEC as it was then.
As I remember, life was pretty good. Most things we bought had Made in England stamped on them, Harold MacMillan told us we’d never had it so good, jobs were plentiful, we didn’t turn our noses up at what was on offer and people seemed happy on the whole.
Then came the 70s, we joined the EEC, we had the winter of discontent, who was in power then? Don’t need to remind anyone.
Enough said.

My DD works in the import and export department of a large company. They import parts from all over theworld and then make torque tools and send them out to countries all over the world. DD told me that before Brexit, to send a large consignment to an EU country took half an hour and now it can take up to 3 days because of all the red tape. She has had to go on endless courses to be updated on all the legislation and says it is an absolute nightmare and that is only one company. People who say that Brexit hasn't changed anything obviously don't really know what is going on and the difficulties that people are having to face to keep goods flowing.

I'm getting really tired of typing "Good grief"

But I'll persevere.

Good grief! Is this satire?

(for HannahLoisLuke)

Why have so many Europeans left UK. Obviously better jobs, living standards elsewhere. I'm at a loss to figure why they came to UK in the first place as if employed they were surely allowed to continue, appropriate residency forms completed. Seasonal workers can still come to UK, why did they not bother this year? Am I taking a simplistic and totally inaccurate view?

Enough said.

I'm not sure that you have said enough, HannahLoisLuke

For a start, I'd be fascinated to hear how the Winter of Discontent was caused by our EC membership.

I think the racism that was a direct result of brexit sent many of them home….

HannahLoisLuke

I’m old enough to remember life before we joined the blasted EU or EEC as it was then.
As I remember, life was pretty good. Most things we bought had Made in England stamped on them, Harold MacMillan told us we’d never had it so good, jobs were plentiful, we didn’t turn our noses up at what was on offer and people seemed happy on the whole.
Then came the 70s, we joined the EEC, we had the winter of discontent, who was in power then? Don’t need to remind anyone.
Enough said.

Good grief …!

graycat
An awful lot of those billionaires didn’t even have to bother going off shore to hide their billions. They were hiding it in the centre of Europe.
www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/01/jean-claude-juncker-blocked-eu-curbs-on-tax-avoidance-cables-show

I still feel too angry about the referendum to post very often but I want to say thank you to those brave people who take on the sad leavers' arguments. I noticed no one so far has been able to point to anything positive (that isn't based on some fairy tale) about Brexit.

4allweknow

Why have so many Europeans left UK. Obviously better jobs, living standards elsewhere. I'm at a loss to figure why they came to UK in the first place as if employed they were surely allowed to continue, appropriate residency forms completed. Seasonal workers can still come to UK, why did they not bother this year? Am I taking a simplistic and totally inaccurate view?

This might help you to understand. I don’t know if the article mention costs, but there is one.
I know this from personal experience having a little import to help someone get their visa.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/understanding-your-right-to-work-in-the-uk-eu-eea-and-swiss-citizens/understanding-your-right-to-work-in-the-uk-eu-eea-and-swiss-citizens-accessible-version

We’ll said, HannahLoisLuke.?
I’m not sure about the connection between the EEC and the ‘Winter of Discontent’, but something had to be done about the volumes of people entering this small country. Guess who’s responsible for 30% of recent births, according to the BBC? Have you tried to get a doctor’s appointment recently?!

*Well

You can write such hateful nonsense after today's events?

Be ashamed of yourself.