Gransnet forums

News & politics

Standing Together

(51 Posts)
love0c Sat 16-Oct-21 09:13:47

Just watched Boris Johnson and Sir Keir Starmer standing together after laying flowers at the site of Sir David Amess' murder. Good to see.

MaizieD Sat 16-Oct-21 13:54:33

And my disappointment that we straight away dive into condemning one political party

I was disappointed, too, Alegrias, hope my post didn't add to your disappointment. I only mentioned that suspect's religion to illustrate that 'inflammatory language' wasn't the preserve of one 'section'. I didn't think it was necessary to point out his origins...

Alegrias1 Sat 16-Oct-21 13:55:25

No, not at all MaizieD

Ilovecheese Sat 16-Oct-21 13:55:49

It didn't take long for the political point scoring to start.

love0c Sat 16-Oct-21 16:20:19

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

love0c Sat 16-Oct-21 16:23:27

I was disappointed with your first post MaizieD.

GrannyGravy13 Sat 16-Oct-21 16:27:16

I am sorry that you feel the need to have the entire thread taken down.

Seeing four leading politicians paying their respects to a murdered colleague should never be an opportunity for political point scoring

RIP Sir David Amess

love0c Sat 16-Oct-21 16:28:41

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Chewbacca Sat 16-Oct-21 16:37:08

Poor show MaisieD Neither the time nor the place for political point scoring. Shame on you.

Alegrias1 Sat 16-Oct-21 16:39:28

Wow.

MaizieD wasn't the one political point scoring.

Probably just as well if this gets taken down, unfortunately.

grumppa Sat 16-Oct-21 16:42:17

Well said, Monica, and those who have amplified your original points. My own working experience of MPs is that they were always working hard for their constituents.

Chestnut Sat 16-Oct-21 16:44:48

Alegrias1

I am going to add my voice to the appreciation for M0nica's posts. ??

And my disappointment that we straight away dive into condemning one political party over others and reminding everybody that the suspect probably wasn't born in Britain.

I don't think anyone has condemned any political party, have they? It's just that the use of inflammatory aggressive language towards politicians (whether in Parliament or on Gransnet) is not pleasant or advisable. It stokes up hatred, whether online or not, and this feeds into a general belief that politicians are people to be reviled.

Casdon Sat 16-Oct-21 16:50:30

This is where it started Chestnut. It was gratuitous to mention a politician of another party in this thread.
happen.
Add comment | Report | Private message | Quote Spinnaker Sat 16-Oct-21 11:00:34
Excellent posts Monica Perhaps now would also be the time that certain MPs reflect on their use of language towards each other - Angela Rayner's recent comments spring to mind.

Chestnut Sat 16-Oct-21 17:14:22

Casdon it's not the party being berated, it's the vile language, no matter who used it or what party they belonged to.

Sparklefizz Sat 16-Oct-21 17:18:49

Well said M0nica (your post 10:01:08)
Thank you.

Casdon Sat 16-Oct-21 17:20:27

Chestnut there was just no need to name any individual on a thread that is about this horrific incident, it was designed to introduce party politics in the thread to do that.

GrannyGravy13 Sat 16-Oct-21 17:20:47

Please posters, there are several GN members who have known Sir David over the years he was an MP me included.

Please do not have this spat on a thread which should be honouring him.

Casdon Sat 16-Oct-21 17:26:45

I totally agree GrannyGravy13, respect is called for.

Lucca Sat 16-Oct-21 17:36:20

Alegrias1

Wow.

MaizieD wasn't the one political point scoring.

Probably just as well if this gets taken down, unfortunately.

Agree. On both counts

eazybee Sat 16-Oct-21 18:13:06

The mention of the suspect's heritage is quite correct, because this affects by whom and how this crime is investigated. It is being investigated by the Counter -Terrorism Team, and is being treated as a terrorist incident which may be linked to Islam extremism, and the threat level is regarded as 'substantial.'
This information is in the public domain, therefore no reason to conceal it and no reason for people being criticized for commenting, should they wish.
After expressing horror at the attack the next question is inevitably -why?
As for taking down yet another thread.
Really.

Callistemon Sat 16-Oct-21 18:33:45

love0c

Ilovecheese Exactly what I thought and hence I have asked GN to remove the whole thread!

I hope they don't love0c

There are some good thoughts expressed on this thread and I, too, agree with M0nica's posts.

Zoejory Sat 16-Oct-21 18:39:58

Excellent post, M0nica

MaizieD Sat 16-Oct-21 19:10:33

The mention of the suspect's heritage is quite correct, because this affects by whom and how this crime is investigated.

No it's not. He could have been a white British convert to Islam. He would equally have been investigated by the Counter Terrorism team. His origins are not relevant to the news that he is the 'suspect'.

MaizieD Sat 16-Oct-21 19:12:05

Callistemon

love0c

Ilovecheese Exactly what I thought and hence I have asked GN to remove the whole thread!

I hope they don't love0c

There are some good thoughts expressed on this thread and I, too, agree with M0nica's posts.

I hope it isn't too. The 'respects' thread is the one that was initially opened. This one is different.

GrannyGravy13 Sat 16-Oct-21 20:22:52

MaizieD

Callistemon

love0c

Ilovecheese Exactly what I thought and hence I have asked GN to remove the whole thread!

I hope they don't love0c

There are some good thoughts expressed on this thread and I, too, agree with M0nica's posts.

I hope it isn't too. The 'respects' thread is the one that was initially opened. This one is different.

Respectfully MaizieD this thread is referring to a U.K. MP, who was violently murdered 32 hours ago.

So yes I would hope and expect posts to be respectful.

MaizieD Sat 16-Oct-21 20:53:50

Sorry, GG13. I'll remind you of the last phrase of the OP

Good to see.

As if this was somehow unusual. I commented that it wasn't 'unusual', it was standard convention at times like this. I don't see that that was in any way 'disrespectful'. It was at something of a tangent, but, then, so was MOnica's excellent post.

I didn't start the political point scoring.