Eustice bans foreign mineral waters ...

MerylStreep

Kali2

I imagine it won't be long until the French, and then other EU countries, begin to sue the UK for polluting their waters, fish, shellwish, etc- fist France as the Channel is very narrow- the tons of sewage being poured into it will not stop in the middle- depending on currents reaching Spain , Germany, Holland and others quite soon.

Could you explain how someone is going to differentiate between our crap and what is being discharged from these ships laying off Gibraltar?
www.google.co.uk/search?q=images+of+shipping+anchored+of+Gibralta&client=safari&hl=en-gb&sxsrf=AOaemvJ_wP1716-5uy_hk127Ratcd4mVSQ:1635430983103&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=OFsOOnq8N716YM%252CyCrSqcFM5V0_kM%252C_%253BC35wiridYJ2i9M%252Caxgwp560YqemrM%252C_%253BQKLD1jUS_vRJkM%252CmUQpl177NPbb3M%252C_%253B_UrvsWqkV04uEM%252Ca72aOQ5C6TEX9M%252C_%253BSepdyrckY5rBnM%252CM3Q1My8LXBF0XM%252C_%253B9ixrqX0s9QIUqM%252CnTMOg_m1h_fs8M%252C_%253BtOl1L2L4davXlM%252CDzW8yuR03K2KJM%252C_%253BTNupCWTK2CZYPM%252CEddAEgskIwZ45M%252C_%253B2w1UYVUWFbzOxM%252Caxgwp560YqemrM%252C_%253BazyMblaqtisG0M%252CXK1egINAqhEqfM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kTDcdZ0bkGEqmJSyXjBXgpOKhVxHg&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjWp7WWp-3zAhXIasAKHQJ9DQ0Q9QF6BAgDEAE#imgrc=LTj31IIpU20KqM&imgdii=i4i2D2WyXboEjM

Plus the Cruise liners, the ferries, private boats. Not going to be an easy task, is it? ?

hmmm I was talking initially about the Channel.

Do you think things end up in the Channel and stay there, Kali2?

Have you ever heard of the plastic ducks?

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/5r4gpxYrCv2KknmvP1Zcrn3/filming-rubber-ducks-in-the-big-blue

Fascinating story. For decades they floated all over the world after falling off a container ship. Currents.

Do you think things end up in the Channel and stay there, Kali2?

I suspect our sewage will have been considerably diluted by the time it's worked its way round Portugal and Spain and reached Gibraltar, Zoejory.

I don't think I will even begin to reply here Maizie.

Zoejory

Do you think things end up in the Channel and stay there, Kali2?

Have you ever heard of the plastic ducks?

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/5r4gpxYrCv2KknmvP1Zcrn3/filming-rubber-ducks-in-the-big-blue

Fascinating story. For decades they floated all over the world after falling off a container ship. Currents.

We have a children's book about that, I think it was written by Eric Carle.

Kali2

I don't think I will even begin to reply here Maizie.

Of course you won't. You never do.

MaizieD

^Do you think things end up in the Channel and stay there, Kali2?^

I suspect our sewage will have been considerably diluted by the time it's worked its way round Portugal and Spain and reached Gibraltar, Zoejory.

Indeed. And it will be mingling with all the sewage from southern Spain. They have been fined many times by the EU for allowing untreated sewage into the sea.

We are not talking about floating plastic bottles... or ducks. We are talking about sh*t, urine, used condoms, wet wipes, etc. The Channel is only 34 km wide at one point, about 20 miles- and will quickly and easily dangerously pollute fish, and even more so lobsters, crabs, mussels and oyster beds on North coast of France, from Pas-de-Calais, Normandy and Britanny, and the North coast of Spain, and Holland and Germany.

Did you study Geography at same school as Raab, perhaps.

Zoejory

Kali2

I don't think I will even begin to reply here Maizie.

Of course you won't. You never do.

How bizarre as I never encountered you before. Unless you have been re-incarnated???

Gibraltar? Now that does ring a bell.

But we are NOT talking about Gibraltar here- as said, perhaps look at a map before commenting next!

We are not talking about floating plastic bottles... or ducks. We are talking about sh*t, urine, used condoms, wet wipes, etc.

Whilst the thought of wet wipes, used condoms etc is very unpleasant, if we think about this, the seas are full of sh*t anyway from all the marine life which defecate in the sea.

We are not talking about floating plastic bottles... or ducks
Whilst I think we should be doing our best not to increase the amount of urine and faeces in the oceans I am more concerned about plastic.
Biological waste degrades or provides food for marine life but far more toxic wastes are dumped in the oceans which should concern us greatly.

Biological waste degrades or provides food for marine life but far more toxic wastes are dumped in the oceans which should concern us greatly.

Absolutely, Callistemon ?

Yes, biological waste provides food for marine life, just as it did for the Whitstable, been there since Roman times, oysters. Anyone rushing to partake of these now? Can't understand why so many Folk on here keen to argue that it's okay to foul our own waterways and systems, reduce hard earned purity standards, and become a turd world country (thanks Petera) just because it's bad elsewhere.
Back to the bottle trade embargo. We ain't seen nothing yet. The real (BREXIT) deal begins on January 1st.

Calistemon

^We are not talking about floating plastic bottles... or ducks. We are talking about sh*t, urine, used condoms, wet wipes, etc.^

Whilst the thought of wet wipes, used condoms etc is very unpleasant, if we think about this, the seas are full of sh*t anyway from all the marine life which defecate in the sea.

We are not talking about floating plastic bottles... or ducks
Whilst I think we should be doing our best not to increase the amount of urine and faeces in the oceans I am more concerned about plastic.
Biological waste degrades or provides food for marine life but far more toxic wastes are dumped in the oceans which should concern us greatly.

Totally, but are you saying that because we should be very concerned about other toxic waste- it makes it ok to dump tons of cr*p, urine, wet wipes and condoms - on top of? How does that make sense.

Of course we should be very concerned about toxic waste of any kind, and some probably much worse that the above. But CURRENTLY, here and now, this is what is happening, right on the UK's doorstep and by the UK - which will fast pollute all our neighbours too.

The bad faith from some is just unbelievable, and intolerable.

The bad faith from some is just unbelievable, and intolerable.

I do hope you're not referring to me. My concern for what is happening to our waterways, oceans and marine life goes way back before this thread was started.

I am not disagreeing that this is backwards step but sewage treated with chemicals has always gone into streams and rivers.
That is not right either - what are the chemicals doing to our waters and wildlife?

Whilst I think we should be doing our best not to increase the amount of urine and faeces in the oceans I am more concerned about plastic. Biological waste degrades or provides food for marine life but far more toxic wastes are dumped in the oceans which should concern us greatly.

It's not just biological waste that is dumped into the oceans from our sewers but every single thing that people put down the toilet. I live by the sea and pick up waste on the beach most days. The things I find most frequently are the plastic sticks from cotton buds. Sometimes dozens in a 50 metre stretch. Millions of tiny bits of plastic going into our ocean and food chain.

Other frequent finds by which I mean multiples of every day are those harp like floss things, plasticy tampon tubes, disposable razors, toothpaste tubes, syringes and tile spacers (thank you plumbers!) ........I think people must put all these things down the lav rather than use the bathroom bin.

I walk the beach with my dog and fill bin bags with the stuff which I then recycle. It's your stuff. I do this.

On the subject of the poo...stuff might eat the poo we discard but in the interim I would really rather not be swimming and walking in in when I visit the ocean each day.

but sewage treated with chemicals has always gone into streams and rivers.

@Cllistemon
Has it?

I'm aware that untreated sewage can be discharged into watercourses from storm overflow chambers (as I said earlier, I have one on my land, installed about 20 years ago, and it has actually made a positive difference to the amount of sewage being discharged into the beck) but is that where treated sewage goes, too? And are you saying that treated sewage contains harmful chemicals?

For those, like me, who aren't at al knowledgeable about the treatment process

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewage_treatment
Fascinating...

Well of course- water is treated with chemicals (those we are currently unable to import from EU due to Brexit) - via water treatment plants. There are no other ways of returning water 'safely' into the system.

Kali2

Well of course- water is treated with chemicals (those we are currently unable to import from EU due to Brexit) - via water treatment plants. There are no other ways of returning water 'safely' into the system.

Yes, but Callistemon seems to be implying that the chemicals used to treat the sewage are, themselves, polluting our waterways.

Is this true?

lemongrove

25Avalon

Has Eustace actually banned EU mineral water? I think not. My understanding is that from January 7th EU companies cannot use their EU accreditation but will have to apply for accreditation from the UK. This is not the same as a ban.

I believe this topic was first raised because political groups were criticising the sewerage system and wanting water authorities to take responsibility for over spills during flooding. It was publicised by saying we would all be drinking filthy river water especially as mineral water was banned. There is plenty of mineral water in this country and EU water is not banned. It was a way of grabbing the headlines. I guess rivers and sewerage is what we should really be discussing.

Worth listing your comments again Avalon ?
As you correctly say, it is not banned....but posters rarely bother to read all the comments and just jump in believing it to be.?
I can’t see why people want to waste hard earned money on bottled water, but if they do, fine, their choice, and when these
EU country ‘bottlers’ have their accreditation from the UK then their products can flow as normal.

Or posters believe what suits their own agenda methinks.

Bottled water? Buy cheap fizz from Aldi -deeeelish! Proven beyond doubt that water is water the world over , slight differences in underlying dryness due to lime content but nevertheless it's all the same. Andcanwe now have some reasonably priced seafood for a change instead of us all subsidising overseas buyers? Same with lamb, there's 1000s of sheep in UK , over every fence here in Lancashire yet I cannot afford /refuse to pay ridiculous cost of Lamb. One idiot "butcher" in a supermarket once told me it's dear because it's wasteful and harder to joint ,ha ha! Never heard such a load of codswallop , there's another thing - the price of codswallop's gone throught the roof.........

Now I can agree with your last sentence Gabrielle- but not sure about what it applies to, wow!

In the meantime, as someone said perfectly well on the BBC site

''Starting a trade war when you already have massive supply chain problems and food shortages, Christmas food (especially meats) will need to be imported as farming has collapsed, winter is coming and your opponent can switch off your gas and electricity at will... plus your international reputation is garbage so you can rely on no tangible support is... well... so very Brexit! ''

Probably worth its own thread this- and very surprised it has not been mentionned yet.

Actually lamb is quite a wasteful animal to butcher. Compare to pigs or cows it is quite bony and cuts like breast and scrag end aren't high value. It's a lot of work for the meat you get.

Katie59

France has just arrested a UK trawler for illegal fishing, more tit for tat, this round of negotiation is far from over. All sorts of restrictive measures are threatened in addition.

www.shorehamherald.co.uk/news/environment/shoreham-fishing-vessel-caught-up-in-post-brexit-row-3436818
So it appears not illegal, but little bully boy Macron trying to do his Napoleon dance. Seems the French are hypocrites too
uk.newschant.com/uk-news/brexit-fishing-fury-trio-of-illegal-and-dangerous-french-ships-caught-in-uk-waters-uk-news/