Insulate Britain

Conviction rates may be low but that doesn't alter the fact that the police are being pro active vegansrock.

Blondiescot

So you don't find their behaviour appalling then, Scones? I'm not surprised people use that kind of language, to be perfectly honest. If I was being prevented from going about my normal daily basis, or worse, stopped from getting to hospital or something similar, I'd be doing a hell of a lot more than just using 'appalling language'.

I didn't comment on the behaviour or the protestors Blondiescot. I entirely support their sentiment by I condemn their methods. There are many better and less destructive options open to them in order to win people over to their cause.

We've all seen where hateful language on line leads and I just want to make my position clear that as someone on Gransnet I find the suggestion of physical violence along the lines of 'give them a good kicking' deplorable.

Post after post by supposedly senior members of society threating 'more than just using appalling language'. Is that what you would recommend to your grandchildren? If we can't lead by example and use our brains for good not our fists for bad then what is the point of us?

I gather from today's Telegraph that their latest tactic is to walk into the traffic holding placards, already taking place on the M25 in Essex.

If one gets killed then they will be held up as a martyr, not a disruptive idiot.

As I said earlier, why don't they channel their energy into positive actions not negative disruption which antagonises the general public?

Why don’t these protesters do something useful like volunteering to lay loft insulation for some any elderly people who would love to have it done but who would struggle to get up in the loft?
They could do the same for the poor as I am sure there are grants available for those who can’t afford it themselves.

In fact why don’t they do ANYTHING rather glue themselves to the M25.

JenniferEccles

Why don’t these protesters do something useful like volunteering to lay loft insulation for some any elderly people who would love to have it done but who would struggle to get up in the loft?
They could do the same for the poor as I am sure there are grants available for those who can’t afford it themselves.

In fact why don’t they do ANYTHING rather glue themselves to the M25.

Because doing work like loft insulation wouldn't be as much fun.

One simple measure would be to revoke their driving licences if possible then they couldn't drive anywhere for a while.

Do you really think sitting on a motorway is fun? I am not defending the tactics and I certainly wouldn’t do it, but have been on protests of a more traditional nature. . To be fair, I had t heard of Insulate Britain before all this but now I have , and if they were writing to their MPs absolutely no one would have heard of the issue, so I guess they think that’s a win. I am more interested in the bigger picture.

No, I do not think the language is bad here. I think the language of their leader is reprehensible, he stated he would not get out of the way for a ambulance where someone was very ill.
I would never call these people names other than selfish, inconsiderate, and lacking in judgement of what the public thinks, they are idiots. What their background is, is totally irrelevant to me.
If I was driving and they got in front of me I would stop, but I would help anyone drag them off the motorway so I can continue my journey.
They only called off sitting on the motorway because they knew people would not tolerate this much longer.
Am I bothered protesters got ink thrown at them, no I am not, it is wrong yes, but I cannot get worked up about it.
The vast majority public had no sympathathy for them and they knew this.
They have done their cause no good and put allot of people out.

Veganrocks Can you name one useful, or helpful thing that has come out of these benighted demonstrations?

The thing is homes here are in the main, well insulated.
The need for it has been known for decades.
I remember my husband coming home with rolls of loft insulation to put in our first house back in the 70s.
Then over the years he kept adding to it as the advice about the thickness required changed.
A bit later we had double glazing fitted as well as cavity wall insulation. Now all new builds have to conform to stringent regulations regarding insulation.

nahsma I found my information by searching Google. The key words I used were:
Insulate Britain walk out gmb. I followed links from there that led to Ian Norton and Cameron Ford.
Where does soya come from?
Where do avocados come from?

M0nica

Veganrocks Can you name one useful, or helpful thing that has come out of these benighted demonstrations?

An increase in super glue sales?

As I understand it, the glue is toxic to the environment. Some contain formaldehyde and or cyanide.

Can anyone tell exactly what Insulate Britain stands for?

What do they want people to do? Are they wanting everybody to improve the insulation of their houses, or are they talking about new houses, do they want specific types of houses to increase insulation in specific ways, are they looking for government aid, or what?

Do they understand the complexities of different types of insulation that should be used for different types of buildings? What about recommending to people simple and inexpensive things they can do and housekeeping measures they can use that will help then save energy.

It is all very well making demands that insulation be improved to meet certain dates, but nowhere can I find any demand any more detailed than that. If you are going to make demands like this and expect others to support you, you really need to show that you fully understand the whole extremely complex business of what insulation needs to be used in what type of property, insulation used inapropriately can leave ending up leaving houses permanently damp or with inadequate ventilation, In older properties it can cause structural timbers to get damp and rot.

There is no evidence anywhere that Insulate Britain have any practical understanding of what they are talking about. They are just shouting pointless slogans because it enables them to feel they are martyring themselves for a cause without needing to actually do anything about it.

I am concerned that cavity wall insulation may not be a good thing and may cause mould and damp in properties.

The cavities are there for reason.

Dry lining of interior walls could be preferable.

No, I don't think they do have any real understanding, M0nica.

vegansrock I had t heard of Insulate Britain before all this but now I have , and if they were writing to their MPs absolutely no one would have heard of the issue, so I guess they think that’s a win. I am more interested in the bigger picture

For the last 30 years it has been impossible to open a newspaper or magazine or look at the news on line but somewhere there will be a link, if not direct news, about insulating your houes.

That picture of a house with arrows pointing to all the ways you should insulate your house, roof, walls, hotwater tank, double glazing, thorough draft exclusion, not to mention foil behind outside radiators, thick lined curtains, even across double glazedwindows. Here is the link to today's repeat of it. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58967580m

I cannot believe that you have lived through the last 30 years without every sense being assaulted almost daily by pictures of this annotated house, adverts, government schemes, the Green Party etc etc constantly banging on about the importance of insulating your house. It is as ubiquitous as recycling.

I have read, although I cannot corroborate it, that Insulate Britain was formed when ER and the leader of IB fell out because the leader of IB made antisemitic remarks. Hmmm

I read that as well M0nica

I have read, although I cannot corroborate it, that Insulate Britain was formed when ER and the leader of IB fell out because the leader of IB made antisemitic remarks. Hmmm

A rebel without a cause would have to find another one, whatever it was.

Rentamob.

Harsh, but in response to Callistamoms thread I think the great majority of people would say serves them right.
I hope they would not be treated as Martyrs, except by the other idiots who caused disruption.

I don't understand how your post relates to anything I said, rafichagran

And it is MayBeMaw's thread, not mine.

Jennifer Eccles, Johnson's water cannon fiasco wasted £300000 tax payers' money. Added to being the sort of crowd control measure used by authoritarian non democratic countries. Also, your politics being what they are, lovely pseudonym, but do you know the politics of The Hollies, who wrote the song? Somewhat different to your own I think?

You do not need water cannon, IB have already shown that they do not like getting their feet wet. A couple of garden hoses and a water bowser should be all that is needed to disperse them.

Anneeba

Jennifer Eccles, Johnson's water cannon fiasco wasted £300000 tax payers' money. Added to being the sort of crowd control measure used by authoritarian non democratic countries. Also, your politics being what they are, lovely pseudonym, but do you know the politics of The Hollies, who wrote the song? Somewhat different to your own I think?

Most of Europe use water cannon,are they not democracies. France Germany Italy to name a few.