Oh, look. Guess who took a private jet flight from COP26 to London (and back) to attend a private dinner.

Who was the mate?

Oh yes! A climate change sceptic.

Dear oh dear

They’re all as bad as another. It was reported lots of them used private jets (I haven’t got numbers, it was reported on SkyNews) and the Japanese had a practice run to ensure they could land at the airport??? Biden and his twenty cars. The royals and their private jets and helicopters. And Boris Johnson and his private jet. Climate change? You couldn’t make it up!

I think the mate was a close friend of Owen Paterson

Joe Biden has FOUR planes with him, Airforce 1, a decoy Airforce 1 (folks not told which one he is on) along with two transport planes for his helicopter and various armoured cars.

Sorry COP26 is the elite rich telling the poor they need to pay more taxes and make sacrifices in their everyday lives…

Hypocrites one and all

I don’t think any of theses people, including Prince Charles, have any right whatsoever to pontificate on saving the planet and global warming and pollution. They should concentrate on helping people and sharing their vast amounts of money around.

The Duchess of Cambridge was spotted flying back from Glasgow on a cheap standard flight good for her.

Indeed, good for the Duchess of Cambridge. However, I agree with nanna8.

nanna8

I don’t think any of theses people, including Prince Charles, have any right whatsoever to pontificate on saving the planet and global warming and pollution. They should concentrate on helping people and sharing their vast amounts of money around.

We had a programme on climate change in the U.K. last night, and climate scientists think that Australia is going to be more affected than any other country.

The only difference is that places like Africa are unable to deal with economically.

Seeing a photo of Carrie having a jolly in Rome, I strongly disapprove of and this includes any, other halves, who serve no purpose in being there, sends out the wrong message and the seriousness of COP26.

I agree, you couldn’t make this up.

It’s all been a bit of a joke hasn’t it?
Biden apparently breezed in complete with 80 cars, a helicopter and a decoy Air Force One!

They are all at it.

Sorry GG13.
I’ve just seen you had already posted more or less what I said !

??? love the whataboutery.

I don’t think it’s whataboutery I think we have to look at them all, and en mass the whole spectacle is nothing more than that. No one can criticise one person and expect others to escape criticism. As I said previously, they’re all guilty. Total hypocrisy! From them all!

GG13 so true and all these measures will affect the poor much much more than the rich. We are being hoodwinked if we think otherwise. I’ve just read up on Lord Charles Moore, Boris’s so called mate and I have to agree with what he says on that score. Climate sceptics are not the same as deniers. The models from science were wrong for Covid too, but that’s not to say Covid doesn’t exist.

This thread is about Johnson, who is our PM, having attending (apparently) the most important climate change summit ever, whizzing off early in a private jet to attend a dinner with a climate change denier close friend of Paterson. Undoubtedly the little matter of overturning the suspension of Paterson found guilty of corruption was discussed.

I think Johnson is more of a sceptic than a denier on climate change. I don’t think at heart he agrees with a lot of the measures, most of which hit the poor and put us under state control and erode democracy. He is not a true believer IMO but an opportunist.

Whitewavemark2 did you read the entire article? Here’s a section

The Prime Minister travelled on one of the most carbon efficient planes of its size in the world, using the most sustainable aviation fuel possible. The U.K. will be offsetting all carbon emissions associated with running COP26 including travel

Hmmm! Well! I tried to find out about the difference between a climate sceptic and a climate denier and came across this article:

theconversation.com/climate-sceptic-or-climate-denier-its-not-that-simple-and-heres-why-117913

Not sure I see much difference.

PS. What do you mean about the scientific models for Covid? Scientists have known almost from the emergence of the virus what it's like, how it transmits and what effects it has.

Growstuff, the models predicted how many thousand of us would get Covid, how many would die if we didn’t do x etc, and the scientists didn’t get it right. In the same way if we accept climate change are the models for what may happen right? This what makes me sceptical, especially when the measures hit the poor harder than the rich.

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2 did you read the entire article? Here’s a section

^The Prime Minister travelled on one of the most carbon efficient planes of its size in the world, using the most sustainable aviation fuel possible. The U.K. will be offsetting all carbon emissions associated with running COP26 including travel^

I'm afraid that that doesn't excuse the man who was claiming he was going to be world leader in climate change action...

The fact that other leaders were adding vast amounts of carbon to the mix with their planes and cars doesn't make it any more excusable, either.

Models are models, and are constructed from what is known from the past, using facts already verified to predict what is likely to happen in the future. Every scenario is different, because what is know is different.

Covid was a new virus, so the models for how the pandemic would develop were built from only a small number of facts to start with. More facts emerged as records were kept of cases and infection routes to refine the early models.

Global warning has been studied for many years, and there are records of temperatures for centuries and weather observations for many years before that, and analyses of deep samples from tens of centuries before there were any human beings at all to observe the weather.

There is no comparison with a model of a new phenomenon.

25Avalon

Growstuff, the models predicted how many thousand of us would get Covid, how many would die if we didn’t do x etc, and the scientists didn’t get it right. In the same way if we accept climate change are the models for what may happen right? This what makes me sceptical, especially when the measures hit the poor harder than the rich.

Ah! I see what you mean. My partner is a scientist (biochemist), who was involved with some of the initial identification of the virus. The "scientists" had a very good understanding of what the little blighter was. He tends to look down his nose (hmm) at scientific modellers and all the other people who have been involved in some of the committees. I'm probably biased, but many of these people aren't "real" scientists.

I have just seen a photo of that evil spreader not wearing a mask while sitting next to 95 year old David Attenborough.