Is English cricket, not just Yorkshire cricket, institutionally racist?

And strange that Lewis Hamilton one of our top achieving world record smashing absolutely darling low key heroes gets?...........a paltry MBE!!! no knighthood?

He was given a knighthood this year.

No need for confusion over what to call people, stick to terms that don't upset them, call those from a Pakistanu background Pakistanis, or Yorkshire folk with a Pakistani background.
Call black people black, call them black British if that's what they are. Muslims come in all colours and ethnicities, as do Christians, indeed there are Pakistani Christians.
As for the reflex well what about girls from a certain background, only this one mind, why are these people seemingly OK with it when it goes on perpetrated by white men. It's wrong full stop, and the paedophile I've known, obviously have not known it at the time, just later, they have all been white British so called Christians. I'm against it whoever does it and wish we could deport anyone who does it to a distant island when they have done their time.

There are a lot of people that are racist in private, real attitudes spill over in company, especially where alchohol loosens the tongue.
I can well imagine the banter between groups turning to them and us and it’s not all one way either.

It may not be all one way Katie59 but it’s hard to ignore our shared colonial history. India and What became Pakistan, Africa, slavery - an endless list of white colonial ‘masters’ subjecting people with darker skin to do their will.

Those who pint to racism from many Muslims to Jewish people are right but, anti Semitic has been endemic from recorded history.

Azeem Rafiq has been courageous in highlighting his own experience. His anti Semitic comments were inevitablynand rightly publicised. Good. Anything that encourages us to reflect and stop insisting we aren’t racist can’t be bad

I've got a feeling that Azeem Rafiq might be regretting highlighting his experience now.

A young woman has now exposed rather creepy texts that he sent to her when she was 17, five years ago.

www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/politics/azeem-rafiq-accused-of-sending-creepy-messages-to-teenage-girl-six-years-ago-3464984

Anyone watching "Empire State of Mind" on Channel 4?

It could make you cry.

Anniebach

The Welsh are called ‘sheep shaggers’

It's not a general activity amongst the population but not entirely unknown.

For many years I thought sheep shagging was a farming term.

Iam64

It may not be all one way Katie59 but it’s hard to ignore our shared colonial history. India and What became Pakistan, Africa, slavery - an endless list of white colonial ‘masters’ subjecting people with darker skin to do their will.

Those who pint to racism from many Muslims to Jewish people are right but, anti Semitic has been endemic from recorded history.

Azeem Rafiq has been courageous in highlighting his own experience. His anti Semitic comments were inevitablynand rightly publicised. Good. Anything that encourages us to reflect and stop insisting we aren’t racist can’t be bad

We should not forget, either, that even in the old Empires, many with darker skin subjugated others.
Some were more equal than others.

…..anti Semitic has been endemic from recorded history.

Indeed it has, and it’s been wrong from the start of history. Anti Semitism led directly to the Holocaust.

Since the dawn of time, when any group has had the opportunity to takeover and dominate another group they have done it. Obviously if the subjugated group looks different to you then it makes it easier to recognise them and discriminate, but going back tot he earliest middle eastern empires, Chinese, African, South American, if one group can be topdog they make sure they are.

The British Empire is merely one of the latest dominant empires that has ceumbled. Our place was taken over, briefly, by the USA but now lies firmly in the hands of the Chinese, who started by invading and conquering Tibet and erasing its long Buddhist culture and are now working hard at ethnically cleansing the Uihgur. They are establishing their dominance in Africa by tieing African countries to deals that tie economic advance and loans to these countries tieing themselves tightly to China and its economic policies and the Chinese will prove far more oppressive and far more difficult to escape from than the British Empire and do far mor damage to these countries and their people.

By the way. Why are we not demanding reparations from Italians for all the damage and oppression meted out on Britain by the Romans?

MOnica, I’m with your analysis till the final paragraph.

Very interesting analysis M0nica

Gabrielle56

All the filth crawling out of the woodwork now in sport and elsewhere illustrates just how childish immature and spoiled they all are!! Remember Freddy Flintoff getting blasted at downing Street and disgracing himself and team? And it continues to get a laugh! Why?? Deeply unfunny. And strange that Lewis Hamilton one of our top achieving world record smashing absolutely darling low key heroes gets?...........a paltry MBE!!! no knighthood? Well it's not cos he's not quite good enough at what he does is it?

In Lewis Hamilton’s case, I suppose it couldn’t possibly be because he’s chosen to be domiciled elsewhere, so that he won’t have to part with any of his loadsamoney to the U.K. taxman?
Presumably this is still the case - I haven’t heard otherwise,

IMO very rich Brits who choose to be domiciled elsewhere for tax purposes shouldn’t be awarded any honours at all.

LEWIS HAMILTON HAS A KNIGHTHOOD.

Sorry, was I shouting?

maddyone

^…..anti Semitic has been endemic from recorded history.^

Indeed it has, and it’s been wrong from the start of history. Anti Semitism led directly to the Holocaust.

Has it?

History has been recorded for many thousands of years. Apart from the Jewish narrative that records the enslavement of Jews by the Egyptians I don't recall any anti Semitic narratives until the coming of christianity.

I'm wondering, too, whether enslaving a group of people is quite the same as being 'anti' them. 'Anti' always seems to me to imply that one would rather something didn't exist. You very much need a population to exist if you want to exploit them.

I’m afraid I disagree with you Maizie.

History has been recorded for many thousands of years. Apart from the Jewish narrative that records the enslavement of Jews by the Egyptians I don't recall any anti Semitic narratives until the coming of christianity.

Jews were sold as slaves by the Romans.

Queen Esther saves the Jews from genocide, in Persia after the evil Haman plans to kill all Jews, may not be historically true but even if based partially on history that is a pre Christian plan to kill the Jews

I've never understood what it was about Jews that has made them so unpopular throughout the ages.

Rafiq is now accused of inappropriate remarks to a 17 year old girl when he was 24. According to her he was drinking vodka on an aeroplane so where does that leave his ‘testimony’ about the trauma of being forced to drink red wine? I think he has experienced racist abuse but has embellished it.

M0nica

Since the dawn of time, when any group has had the opportunity to takeover and dominate another group they have done it. Obviously if the subjugated group looks different to you then it makes it easier to recognise them and discriminate, but going back tot he earliest middle eastern empires, Chinese, African, South American, if one group can be topdog they make sure they are.

The British Empire is merely one of the latest dominant empires that has ceumbled. Our place was taken over, briefly, by the USA but now lies firmly in the hands of the Chinese, who started by invading and conquering Tibet and erasing its long Buddhist culture and are now working hard at ethnically cleansing the Uihgur. They are establishing their dominance in Africa by tieing African countries to deals that tie economic advance and loans to these countries tieing themselves tightly to China and its economic policies and the Chinese will prove far more oppressive and far more difficult to escape from than the British Empire and do far mor damage to these countries and their people.

By the way. Why are we not demanding reparations from Italians for all the damage and oppression meted out on Britain by the Romans?

Quite so Monica. I agree - including the last paragraph!

We were in wonderful Uganda on a safari holiday just before Covid and saw the way the Chinese are insinuating themselves into the country. Generously building roads (quite good ones) in return for oil. Of course the roads will help them export the oil. Our guide was very dubious as to how good the deal was.

Aveline The jews were hated because they were held responsible for the death of Jesus Christ.

In fact it was an Italian called Pontius Pilate who made the decision to hand him over to the Jews to do as they willed.

All religions excoriate those who persecute and kill their prophets.

The Jews were disliked long before Pontus Pilate. Then again, the area was tribal and the Jews were one such tribe. All the tribes were constantly disliked by one another.

oodles

Queen Esther saves the Jews from genocide, in Persia after the evil Haman plans to kill all Jews, may not be historically true but even if based partially on history that is a pre Christian plan to kill the Jews

Thanks.

I didn't know for certain if there was anything pre christian persecution so glad to be corrected.