UK ‘dangerously close to elected dictatorship’ under Boris Johnson, Ken Clarke warns

I said on another post that I cannot understand how rational ,intelligent people can think that Johnson has the attributes necessary for a leader in our country.
I still dont understand.

Casdon I have been listening ( over many years, being an oldie) to what Ken Clarke has to say, there is much, as he likes the sound of his own voice.I don’t have any regard for him....you do.That’s all fine and dandy.
No ?he certainly isn’t too moderate!Just the opposite.
Has he mellowed over the years, perhaps, but I instinctively don’t like or trust what he says.

Remainers have every right to be bitterly upset. I'd say even the staunchiest of Brexiters should be... Is THAT really what you voted for?

Look, all the nonsense about dictatorships somehow won't be swallowed accepted by the gullible, sensible people know better.

Everyone forgets poor Alistair Burt

westendgirl

I said on another post that I cannot understand how rational ,intelligent people can think that Johnson has the attributes necessary for a leader in our country.
I still dont understand.

Rational intelligent people didn’t

Westendgirl
He was voted for by Conservative members /as Leader,not by all those who vote Conservative, and was voted for in the GE only to foil Corbyn getting in and to proceed with the Brexit process.
Not because anyone thought he would be a fabulous PM.

Is it possible that among many, many people, there is a belief that it couldn't possibly happen here? That we're the UK and moderation always triumphs?

I had a friend from the Lebanon who told me that they had such a stable country, nobody thought they would ever have problems. Also another from Iran who still can't believe what happened.

I have Hungarian friend who lives here in the UK who is horrified by the subtle regressions and I heed that as a warning in all honesty

I don’t think we can compare Iran and Lebanon to the UK (understatement of the year.)

And again.... QED.

I can understand how people wanted to 'believe in him', wanted him to 'get Brexit done' somehow. But how anyone can NOW, at this moment in time, refuse to see that their Emperor has NO clothes- is beyond me.

Give up lemongrove it’s their way or the highway. WE obviously don’t know or understand the finer ramifications. ?
Just a shame us less intellectuals also get a vote each. Must annoy the hell out of some on here.

I agree with you about KC.!

Oh I wish be had an election very soon- and see.

Anybody from the right hand side of the room actually got any comments on the erosion of democracy? Perhaps you have examples of how this isn't happening and how we are completely missing the point? You know, like a proper discussion?

Or shall we just be sticking with the personal insults and derogatory comments?

I know Urms but people always like a bit of fresh red meat to pick over, so I obliged.?

Whatever Johnson does stupid people will still vote for him and he knows it. They think aw Boris, I like Boris, he's funny with his messy hair and untidy style of dress - let's vote for him. They have no idea that he's only concerned with the elite. It's ignorant working class people, who should know better, that have put him where he is today. And just take a look at the mess we're in! It beggars belief!

Ken Clarke was the chancellor who instigated raising the state pension age in 1993.

Ken Clarke instigateed wage freezes for the nurses back in the 1980's if I remember correctly.
He is just another Thatcherite Tory who began the destruction of the NHS.

No comments on the erosion of democracy then? Anybody? No?

Ken Clarke not my cup of tea comes across as bitter man who didn't get the Top job.
The Tories will dump Boris if necessary no worries.

grannyrebel7

Whatever Johnson does stupid people will still vote for him and he knows it. They think aw Boris, I like Boris, he's funny with his messy hair and untidy style of dress - let's vote for him. They have no idea that he's only concerned with the elite. It's ignorant working class people, who should know better, that have put him where he is today. And just take a look at the mess we're in! It beggars belief!

‘Ignorant working class people’ !
Oh dear.

Google “erosion of democracy in U.K.” and article after article after article is listed. It makes extraordinary depressive reading.

Depressing that should be

lemongrove

grannyrebel7

Whatever Johnson does stupid people will still vote for him and he knows it. They think aw Boris, I like Boris, he's funny with his messy hair and untidy style of dress - let's vote for him. They have no idea that he's only concerned with the elite. It's ignorant working class people, who should know better, that have put him where he is today. And just take a look at the mess we're in! It beggars belief!

‘Ignorant working class people’ !
Oh dear.

Agreed lemongrove. totally out of order.

There are really ignorant people from all walks of life, tragically. Tories did elect him, for sure.

Visgirl. When will they dump him ? Now would be good, it surely can’t get much worse.