UK ‘dangerously close to elected dictatorship’ under Boris Johnson, Ken Clarke warns

Ignorant people on all political sides and classes, agreed.

Look at how subtle regression has played out in Hungary

Johnson will not be pm at the next election, they will want someone who is popular and can win. I have lived in two countries which was ruled by either the military or a dictator and our country is truly heading the way of a dictatorship government. He, Johnson, is a hateful self serving xxxxx. Anything said by Lemongrove I tend to ignore.

Barmeyoldbat

Johnson will not be pm at the next election, they will want someone who is popular and can win. I have lived in two countries which was ruled by either the military or a dictator and our country is truly heading the way of a dictatorship government. He, Johnson, is a hateful self serving xxxxx. Anything said by Lemongrove I tend to ignore.

? your last sentence.

lemongrove

Westendgirl
He was voted for by Conservative members /as Leader,not by all those who vote Conservative, and was voted for in the GE only to foil Corbyn getting in and to proceed with the Brexit process.
Not because anyone thought he would be a fabulous PM.

How silly of them. Maybe they should have thought a bit harder!

Indeed. A lot ...

Just to echo Lemongrove's sentiments.
I actually like Ken Clarke but rarely agree with his views; sensible he is not.

silverlining48 You have to wonder what sort of catastrophe will actually make them dump him!

Just as a matter of interest, here is the article we 'discussed a few weeks ago if people want to read it. Freedland gives evidence for his assertions.

As I recall, no-one actually attempted to make an evidence based rebuttal of the article. Just rubbished it in similar fashion to this current thread.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/01/boris-johnson-rigging-the-system-power-courts-protest-elections

Deedaa

silverlining48 You have to wonder what sort of catastrophe will actually make them dump him!

I think that the 'catastrophe' for Johnson could be in progress; entirely of his own making...

I think certain people are piling in on you Lemon in order to out gun you! I totally agree with your eminently sensible posts,but then I'm almost certainly one of those ignorant voters that are clearly so despised by the intellectual left. Its the lack of any degree that's the give away. 5 GCE's, (no maths) and one A Level just doesn't cut it! Shouldn't really be allowed to vote, but there it is!

His downfall will be hitting people in the pocket. Hoist by the Brexit petard.
c.newsnow.co.uk/A/1103886409?-850:14274

MaizieD

Deedaa

silverlining48 You have to wonder what sort of catastrophe will actually make them dump him!

I think that the 'catastrophe' for Johnson could be in progress; entirely of his own making...

sitting on hands (but I think it is going to be swift!)

Jabberwok- stop being truly daft (nought to do with GCSE's and A'Levels, or Degrees). Here is a good German word 'Vernunft' - no need for any of the above!

Jabberwok

I think certain people are piling in on you Lemon in order to out gun you! I totally agree with your eminently sensible posts,but then I'm almost certainly one of those ignorant voters that are clearly so despised by the intellectual left. Its the lack of any degree that's the give away. 5 GCE's, (no maths) and one A Level just doesn't cut it! Shouldn't really be allowed to vote, but there it is!

You don't do yourselves any favours by posts like this, you know. Just look ignorant.

Ouch! Ignorant? Well better than being pompous!

Une énorme frite sur l'épaule, pour sûr!

Certainly not!

Jabberwok

Ouch! Ignorant? Well better than being pompous!

You know, Jabberwok, you often post very knowledgably about history. Does anyone challenge you? Accuse you of being 'intellectual? Imply that you don't know any better than anyone else?

We assume that you have studied the subject and that you know what you are talking about.

Well, if someone implies that I don't know any more than they do (and it's not for the first time,) then I feel I have to say just why I know what I know. Not pulling intellectual rank, just saying.

Now, if you and lemon and Ug would like to explain the British constitution to us and show us where people talking of elective dictatorships, or just dictatorships, are wrong, then we'll be happy to read it. Sneering and accusations of bullying aren't responses worth respecting.

Those who say they can't stand Ken Clarke should bear in mind that it is still likely that, however much they didn't like his views on other matters, he can still recognise a swing toward an elected dictatorship when he sees it. Others have seen the trend towards it before now, including on this forum. There have been systematic moves to emasculate or completely bypass no end of safeguards against the checks and balances that make democracy work. Have they, for instance, forgotten the legal issue of the proroguing of Parliament so as to avoid a proper free discussion of Brexit?

That’s fine by me barmey ?we are all free to ignore or dismiss other poster’s offerings ( I do that all the time.)
Hello Jabberwok?? I see you have recaptured the missing B!
Now if only Calistemon can do the same with her missing L.
That’s true Elegran ( regarding Clarke) as even a stopped clock is right twice a day, but as well as him being a self regarding pompous twerp, I think he is wrong about a parliamentary dictatorship, it’s simply having a huge majority that gives confidence, but MP’s don’t have to go along with anything Johnson says or does.

MaizieD You pull intellectual rank all the time?and as you know, anyone can say anything about their academic prowess on forums.
I take it all with a pinch of salt.

Does anyone remember a few years ago a couple of posters constantly demanded homework ( a thesis!) from others to explain their opinions/ points of view?Well....let’s not go back down that rabbit hole.
People now listening to Clarke and repeating his overblown words as if he is the Messiah just amaze me.
But....that’s their opinion which they are entitled to.

lemongrove

That’s fine by me barmey ?we are all free to ignore or dismiss other poster’s offerings ( I do that all the time.)
Hello Jabberwok?? I see you have recaptured the missing B!
Now if only Calistemon can do the same with her missing L.
That’s true Elegran ( regarding Clarke) as even a stopped clock is right twice a day, but as well as him being a self regarding pompous twerp, I think he is wrong about a parliamentary dictatorship, it’s simply having a huge majority that gives confidence, but MP’s don’t have to go along with anything Johnson says or does.

Methinks they were whipped into voting to support Paterson last week were they not? Even though many of them felt they were doing the wrong thing. Even with the abstentions it was passed by Parliament thanks to the dictator like majority Johnson has. Or is my memory playing tricks.

Not just Mr.Clarke, Mr.Cummings was flavour of the week a while back, in fact any one who writes/tweets/podcasts/interviews anything against the PM and current Government is immediately lauded by any GN member who didn’t vote for the party in power.

If Starmer wins a ‘dictator like majority’ Maybee will that be acceptable I wonder?