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If Peppa Pig is now the symbol of global Britain, what have you got to lose Mr Farage?

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Urmstongran Mon 22-Nov-21 16:09:05

He says in the Telegraph just now:

“ ...as the official number of arrivals for 2021 heads towards 25,000 (we still don’t have the Home Office figures for Tuesday 16 November) it does seem as though something is beginning to change. Reports are circulating that the Prime Minister has become fretful. As well he should. On his watch, the mantra of “taking back control” of our borders has descended into farce.

The biggest problem Boris Johnson faces is not the sheer impracticality and cost to the public purse of housing, clothing, feeding and giving free healthcare and education to huge numbers of people who have chosen to leave the safety of France to come to this country. Neither is it the daily expense of conducting the Channel operations. Instead, it is the threat to Britain’s national security and the safety of its citizens. Johnson is ultimately responsible for guarding his people. This is the sacred duty of any prime minister. It should override all others. Yet the present occupant of 10 Downing Street seems to have abandoned his post.”

GillT57 Wed 24-Nov-21 19:37:26

I just lost a lengthy post due to phone problems but it is probably just as well as my opinion on the breathtaking hypocrisy and crocodile tears about the dead people on the.dinghies would have likely been flamed.

Urmstongran Wed 24-Nov-21 19:38:54

Cut off the head of the snake.

Iam64 Wed 24-Nov-21 19:41:36

Maudi

17:27Kali2

Perhaps instead of having a go at Umg you could turn attention to the French, the migrants blood is on their hands. Or is it only the English and the Tory government you have a problem with.

It’s an international problem. Why do you put responsibility on the French? The people smugglers should be prosecuted.
The Uk government needs to stop expecting the French authorities to be responsible for preventing people smugglers and people fleeing war zones/starvation. If you already have family here, you’ll obviously try to join them.

growstuff Wed 24-Nov-21 19:53:11

JenniferEccles

The tragic deaths of young migrants locked in a lorry about two years ago was shocking, but it seems that the tragedies are now continuing at sea.

Surely there must be a way to beat the people smugglers before more deaths occur?

Only about 25% of asylum seekers come to the UK by boat.

Yes, it would be easy to destroy the people smugglers' trade. Make it easier to come to the UK and process asylum applications quickly and efficiently.

Urmstongran Wed 24-Nov-21 20:05:58

From the BBC website yesterday growstuff;

“More than 25,000 people have crossed the Channel so far this year - but it's important to consider that figure as part of a bigger picture.
In 2019, some 45,000 people sought asylum in the UK. So, the dinghies are only part of the total.”

So, 50%??

theworriedwell Wed 24-Nov-21 20:27:57

Urmstongran

Well that was quick.
Shows what CAN be achieved (catching people traffickers) when there’s a WILL.

“Four people have been arrested in connection with a migrant boat which sank in the English Channel, the French interior minister has said.

Gerald Darmanin said in a press conference that "1,500 people have been arrested since the start of January, and four of them today.

"We suspect that they were directly linked to this particular crossing".

Mr Darmanin's comments were reported live with the use of a translator on Sky News.”

By your figures they have been arresting between 4 and 5 people a day all year. So today is nothing unusual.

So there is a WILL and it CAN be done every day and in fact it is done.

JenniferEccles Wed 24-Nov-21 22:37:02

A journalist on the BBC news this evening did a quick calculation and said that for just one single very overcrowded boatload of migrants the people smuggler would have got around £250,000.

It’s always been obvious that it’s an extremely lucrative business to be in but no wonder these criminals are keen to crack on with their trade. A quarter of a million pounds per boat?
They are not going to let go of that without a struggle, are they?

Maudi Thu 25-Nov-21 07:34:58

Urmstongran watched a really interesting programme on YouTube last night about Eric Zammour (remember him ?) Macron's nemesis taking France by storm from The Telegraph, can't do a link but worth a watch some say he could possibly beat Macron.

Alegrias1 Thu 25-Nov-21 07:50:19

It would be really good if we didn't go down this path again. It didn't end well last time.

Of course that is only my opinion and everyone can post what they like.

Kali2 Thu 25-Nov-21 14:49:51

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Kali2 Thu 25-Nov-21 15:06:18

Zemmour is dropping fast in polls in France, and 1 by 1, his financial backers are dropping him as his views are just too extreme (fascist).

Maudi Thu 25-Nov-21 15:17:41

I have reported you Kali2 not something I have done lightly, but this is not the first time you have called me or other posters racist and according to GN guidelines your post in my opinion is a personal attack and should not be allowed.

growstuff Thu 25-Nov-21 15:32:58

Maudi

I have reported you Kali2 not something I have done lightly, but this is not the first time you have called me or other posters racist and according to GN guidelines your post in my opinion is a personal attack and should not be allowed.

Maybe you should be reported for promoting somebody with racist, extreme views, who has been prosecuted in France for pushing them.

MaizieD Thu 25-Nov-21 15:36:14

The last thread on the subject of this man was pulled because it got very unpleasant. As Alegrias suggested, let's not go there.

Iam64 Thu 25-Nov-21 16:58:20

growstuff

Maudi

I have reported you Kali2 not something I have done lightly, but this is not the first time you have called me or other posters racist and according to GN guidelines your post in my opinion is a personal attack and should not be allowed.

Maybe you should be reported for promoting somebody with racist, extreme views, who has been prosecuted in France for pushing them.

I’m not sure it is a ‘personal attack’..I see it more as an accurate description of disgusting, inhuman views that are grounded in racism.

growstuff Thu 25-Nov-21 17:18:02

In any case, it wasn't a personal attack. It was a hypothesis.

Kali used the word if:

If you have, and still insist on bringing him ...

She gave Maudi the benefit of the doubt.

TopsyIrene06 Thu 25-Nov-21 18:43:12

Kali2. As usual spot on.

Kali2 Thu 25-Nov-21 22:19:02

Thank you- went to babysit and just come back- for immigrants who have no family here. A much much better use of my time.

Kali2 Fri 26-Nov-21 10:09:33

Well if Farage wants to split the right wing vote- he is welcome, I suppose!

Kali2 Fri 26-Nov-21 10:10:12

Whether within EU or without- the UK has to act in line with International Law.