Stand off drowning migrants and report – or face prosecution, sailors warned

Is it true that one of those poor souls was an Afghan soldier who had served with the British army, and left behind after the fall of Kabul? If so, those Posters who just don't get it, the reason he fled his native land is because his 'collaboration' with the enemy has earned him, and his family, Taliban torture and execution.
Urmstongran, not happy to pay £39 per week to an immigrant until they get permission to stay and work, but happy to pay daily unlimited expenses to our 'overworked' MPs?

Maritime law I'd to help ANYONE in peril in seas, wherever they are. "Stand off" ??? Sounds completely made up and the "ooh you'll be prosecuted"? A load of old cobblers, honestly, barrack room lawyers...........

In 2001, the majority of asylum seekers came from Afghanistan, Somalia and Iran, where there were civil wars.

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/migration-statistics-how-many-asylum-seekers-and-refugees-are-there-in-the-uk/

People just got on a plane if they could and landed at a UK airport and immediately claimed asylum. That route has been closed down. Hope that answers your question.

Maremia

Is it true that one of those poor souls was an Afghan soldier who had served with the British army, and left behind after the fall of Kabul? If so, those Posters who just don't get it, the reason he fled his native land is because his 'collaboration' with the enemy has earned him, and his family, Taliban torture and execution.
Urmstongran, not happy to pay £39 per week to an immigrant until they get permission to stay and work, but happy to pay daily unlimited expenses to our 'overworked' MPs?

Why automatically assume that all are legitimate asylum seekers? Why are there such a very high proportion of single working aged men? Where are their families? And the reason given that "they speak English" most of the world speaks bloody English ,they can't ALL. Just land and stay!! Genuine cases have to be established and politicians have failed to organise a solution whereby there's a legit centre based in France (like embassy) where claims can be processed and rejected before they're already here. Because we have absolutely no idea how to remove failed claimants and our appeals system is the joke of the world! I would rather live in a pit in the ground than to risk my children's lives in a dingy!! They are the ones putting lives at risk! And, why aren't these inflatable boats simply punctured on the beaches, and sales stopped? Because the French and rest of Europe are happy to pass on the issue to UK, specially after we've left EU. I wish folks would be realistic and stop being so bleeding misty eyed about this situation!! It needs proper organisation and true leadership , not cups of tea and sympathy!

Whitewavemark2

babspanky

Of course I would not watch someone drown whoever they were .
I do notice though that a lot of people are calling the immigrants asylum seekers. They are not asylum seekers, they are illegal immigrants. France is not a war zone.

No they are asylum seekers, and asylum seekers are NOT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

They are entitled, under international law to seek asylum in a country of their own choice.

Shamefully, an MP, Miriam Cates, made the same mistake on national TV and argued that she was right. Is it any wonder that members of the public believe the same lie?

Whitewavemark2

Michael Rosen ????
@MichaelRosenYes
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Politicians puffing themselves up by talking about ‘criminal gangs’, as if that’s the ethical way of dealing with a refugee crisis. The ethical way to deal with refugees is to help them.

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Meaning? It's true that criminal gangs are exploiting desperate and apparently cash handy refugees ! These gangs have to be stopped! What's wrong with saying that? Ethical way? What IS he on about? Smashing people smuggling is to do with protection of vulnerable. Anyone want to tell me how that's "unethical" ?? Rowlocks!

I just luuuurve how the wealthy and famous are quick to criticize everyone else about being nasty to the poor refugees and how we should ll give up our life savings to help them........yet I've not been able to find any instances of these same eejits opening their considerable homes(plural in many cases) to help house these poor souls once they land, ?

Lincslass

westendgirl

Thank you Mamie for your post. I heard something very similar on Today this morning.
The problem here is that the whole issue has been aggravated by the overblown claims of some newspapers fed by the likes of Nigel Farage, often to try to manipulate Joe Public to vote in a certain way .

Oh dear, same old same old.

Yes indeed! Same old same old. It defies all logic that people still listen to the old, has-been stirrer (whose bank account would appear to need replenishing).

Gabrielle56

I just luuuurve how the wealthy and famous are quick to criticize everyone else about being nasty to the poor refugees and how we should ll give up our life savings to help them........yet I've not been able to find any instances of these same eejits opening their considerable homes(plural in many cases) to help house these poor souls once they land, ?

Michael Rosen doesn't have a considerable home.

Why automatically assume that all are legitimate asylum seekers?

We're not assuming that all are legitimate asylum seekers, but if you read back through this thread you will find official information that says that at least 80% are (I have seen 90% quoted elsewhere). But this cannot be determined until they have been through the application (and appeal) process. So, until that has been done, we give them the benefit of the doubt.

They are working age men because they are the most likely to be able to endure the journey and to find work if their application is approved. If they are married (why assume that all of them are single?) they can support their families either by bringing them here or sending them money.

Isn't this a bit obvious?

Ever heard the term "keyboard warriors" ? Trust me, the vast VAST. Majority of people who talk a good fight are utter WIMPS when it comes to putting their money where their gobs are! It's easy to say all this junk , and thank gawd these twerps have no say in the matter! On a yacht/ sailing the channel ?!?! What a laugh , the closest they get to anything so adventurous is going down the pub when it's raining! Ignore them , they're liars. Real people do really extraordinary things and never tell anyone....before or after....

WonderBra

I'm a taxpayer, been working full time since I was 16, and for many years of that in very low paid jobs.

With the approx 80,000 asylum seekers in the UK at the moment, who receive just under £40 each per week, that costs me (one of currently just over £30,000,000 taxpayers in the UK ) the massive sum of 9p per week. In actual fact, I probably pay a lot less than that, as a lower rate taxpayer.
For less than 2p a day, I am absolutely happy to support these poor, scared, homeless people who have been in the absolutely devastating position of losing pretty much everything. To be honest, I'd happily pay an awful lot more.

I can't begin to imagine what desperation they must be going through, to even attempt the over-land journeys, let alone the sea crossings. They are human, many well educated, but regardless, human.

I really can't begin to understand those who would rather they drowned. These people are a valuable asset to our country, but regardless of whether they have any economic value to us, they are human.

Where is our compassion?

Just a small point, but there are far more than 30 million taxpayers in the UK. Only (about) 25% of the tax paid in the UK is income tax. Most of it comes from other sources such as VAT. It's impossible to escape paying tax in the UK. Therefore, we are all paying less than 9p each.

2 billion people in the world speak English. There's getting on for 8 billion people in the world.

2 billion isn't most of 8 billion.

Just thought I drop that in. Can't let made up statistics stand unchallenged, can we?

As you were.

Where did this idea of stopping the sales of small vessels come from? One of my Facebook contacts thought we should confiscate all the boats on the north coast of France. I suppose it would kill two birds with one stone. People traffickers and the fishing problem.

growstuff

Gabrielle56

I just luuuurve how the wealthy and famous are quick to criticize everyone else about being nasty to the poor refugees and how we should ll give up our life savings to help them........yet I've not been able to find any instances of these same eejits opening their considerable homes(plural in many cases) to help house these poor souls once they land, ?

Michael Rosen doesn't have a considerable home.

I believe Gary Lineker has taken in and housed a few refugees.

growstuff

WonderBra

I'm a taxpayer, been working full time since I was 16, and for many years of that in very low paid jobs.

With the approx 80,000 asylum seekers in the UK at the moment, who receive just under £40 each per week, that costs me (one of currently just over £30,000,000 taxpayers in the UK ) the massive sum of 9p per week. In actual fact, I probably pay a lot less than that, as a lower rate taxpayer.
For less than 2p a day, I am absolutely happy to support these poor, scared, homeless people who have been in the absolutely devastating position of losing pretty much everything. To be honest, I'd happily pay an awful lot more.

I can't begin to imagine what desperation they must be going through, to even attempt the over-land journeys, let alone the sea crossings. They are human, many well educated, but regardless, human.

I really can't begin to understand those who would rather they drowned. These people are a valuable asset to our country, but regardless of whether they have any economic value to us, they are human.

Where is our compassion?

Just a small point, but there are far more than 30 million taxpayers in the UK. Only (about) 25% of the tax paid in the UK is income tax. Most of it comes from other sources such as VAT. It's impossible to escape paying tax in the UK. Therefore, we are all paying less than 9p each.

The 30,000,000 was just a low figure, from what I googled - and as you rightly said, just income tax, so yes, I probably personally pay less than a penny a day - as would the majority here.
How can anyone begrudge that?

WonderBra

growstuff

Gabrielle56

I just luuuurve how the wealthy and famous are quick to criticize everyone else about being nasty to the poor refugees and how we should ll give up our life savings to help them........yet I've not been able to find any instances of these same eejits opening their considerable homes(plural in many cases) to help house these poor souls once they land, ?

Michael Rosen doesn't have a considerable home.

I believe Gary Lineker has taken in and housed a few refugees.

Gary Lineker has taken in only one refugee for a few months. Recently he claimed to be going to take in one more. He hasn’t yet or he would have publicised it.

Alegrias1

2 billion people in the world speak English. There's getting on for 8 billion people in the world.

2 billion isn't most of 8 billion.

Just thought I drop that in. Can't let made up statistics stand unchallenged, can we?

As you were.

But more people speak English as a foreign language than French or German.

Maudi

17:20Whitewavemark2

I'm sure most on here will be dead and buried by then.

And to hell with the rest, I suppose?

growstuff

Alegrias1

2 billion people in the world speak English. There's getting on for 8 billion people in the world.

2 billion isn't most of 8 billion.

Just thought I drop that in. Can't let made up statistics stand unchallenged, can we?

As you were.

But more people speak English as a foreign language than French or German.

Ah, very true, but still not most of the world

I might mention English exceptionalism, but I'd get piled on for that.

What worries me , if boat owners are allowed to rescue people from the channel , it may encourage unscrupulous gangs to arrange to pick up migrants mid-channel for a fee . Saying that they had rescued them . It could become a big money making business for them .

I haven't scrolled back to see what you're replying to. Yes, it's true that most people don't speak English, but it is true that English is the most widely spoken second language and is one of the reasons that some migrants choose the UK rather than other countries.

Thisismyname1953

What worries me , if boat owners are allowed to rescue people from the channel , it may encourage unscrupulous gangs to arrange to pick up migrants mid-channel for a fee . Saying that they had rescued them . It could become a big money making business for them .

And you honestly think that the RNLI would get involved in something like that?

PS. That kind of thing is already happening. Do you not remember the case of the lorry driver who picked up the container with 39 dead Vietnamese migrants?

growstuff

I haven't scrolled back to see what you're replying to. Yes, it's true that most people don't speak English, but it is true that English is the most widely spoken second language and is one of the reasons that some migrants choose the UK rather than other countries.

Its not worth it growstuff. I was feeling frivolous

Yes. Macron certainly has blood on his hands.

Let’s face it. The french don’t like us and apparently couldn’t care less what happens to migrants, just so long as they don’t have to deal with them.

I’m astounded at the millions we have paid them to do bugger all.

Nothing seems to be done to try and catch the smugglers.
Surely a bit of detective work around the french camps, boat companies etc. This is the crux of the problem.
Apparently, french strict data protection laws means that aerial surveillance equipment provided by the UK has not been used.
It’s absolutely ridiculous.

Priti Patel ought to resign and see if someone else can do a better job.