Stand off drowning migrants and report – or face prosecution, sailors warned

BTW, how many British cops do you know who speak fluent French? People with guns working in collaboration should be able to communicate effectively.

So wait a minute, wait a minute....

Complaints about Kali posting about Brexit, concerns elsewhere about people with Republican sentiments....

Maybe we should have a list of things we feel strongly about that we are allowed to post about, without incurring the criticism of sensitive posters?

Perhaps like Obama, we will have to produce our birth certificates! I can certainly produce my passport before having an 'opinion'.

I seem to remember that you accused me of trying to control the forum yesterday Maizie. Is that your standard post if you don’t like what I say? If you think it’s acceptable for someone to say we need to take in migrants because thousands of UK residents have died with covid, many of whom were loved ones of GransNetters, then shame on you. Can you not understand that it is not the argument that I have a problem with but the underlying reasoning? And yes, I’m sick to the back teeth of hearing about bloody Brexit For Which I Did Not Vote, Nor Did Any Member Of My Family.

No, THAT is not what was said- at all. You choose to totally mis-interpret, and that is your right, of course.

Your ‘young friend’ said one of the reasons the UK needed migrants was that many thousands here had died from covid. You said you were proud of her insight. Are you now denying those statements?

There are very many ‘young friends’ it seems, who all have a xenophobic view of the UK.Hmmm.

Urmstongran

“Smugglers shot a scared migrant in the kneecaps after he refused to board a boat on the same night 27 people died trying to cross the English Channel.

Volunteers in the Calais jungle migrant camp rushed to the aid of a 20-year-old man who was “quickly losing a lot of blood” after a smuggler became frustrated at his refusal to board the vessel and drew a gun on him.

The smuggler felt he had “lost out on easy money,” volunteers said, as the gangs are believed to only receive the full fee for transporting migrants once they have arrived in the UK. The assailant is on the run, according to French media reports.“

This, just now in the Telegraph illustrates well what a hugely organised and lucrative business people trafficking actually is. Like drugs just a different commodity.

Perhaps it is just too easy to get across Europe with Schengen? Maybe it’s time to reintroduce borders and checks across Europe?

Whatever, law enforcement across Europe and here needs to up the game. These gangsters buying rubber inflatables in Germany & Belgium, are running rings around all of us. So much money is exchanging hands here. They won’t give up this without a fight.

Yes, Schengen has a lot to answer for..in fact it’s been a fiasco.

Why has the Telegraph started calling them smugglers?

Oh, yes, I know...for the same reason as they are trying to convince gullible people that getting rid of the people traffickers will get rid of the scrounging migrants.

Kali2

Maudi ''Spot on GSM well said its like a stuck record isn't it Brexit Brexit Brexit and a few 'little England' jibes thrown in.''

are you actually saying that what is happening now is not linked to Brexit?

Are you denying that the country is currently much less crowded than it was 2 years ago, for a variety of reasons?

You might find it more satisfying to go and bash your head against a brick wall.

Alegrias1

Why has the Telegraph started calling them smugglers?

Oh, yes, I know...for the same reason as they are trying to convince gullible people that getting rid of the people traffickers will get rid of the scrounging migrants.

What would you call these callous criminals taking thousands of € from vulnerable desperate people?

MerylStreep

I don’t think Paraic O’Brien was photo shopped when he was standing on the beach with the police car behind him while he (Paraic) was talking to the migrants getting into the boat.
Or when ( at another beach the police told him that ^they have gone, you’ve missed them^

What do you think they should have done? Two policemen or 4 at a push? How many migrants? Thirty or forty. Traffickers, well a few. We know some of the traffickers are armed as they've shot one migrant.

So tell us how do you think a couple of policemen can do anything to prevent them leaving?

Did you hear Paraic saying that he had been frisked before they would talk to him? These people aren't going to stand there and watch their dreams shatter.

My husband was a policeman, he tells the tale of when he was a 19 year old, wet behind the ears and out on his own on night duty. He "arrested" 3 men and then as they laughed he realised there was no way he could actually get 3 of them to the station, he could handcuff one of them but what to do with the others? So 2 policemen against 40 or 50? Short of opening fire on them there isn't anything they can do.

Exactly! GrannyGravy13

GrannyGravy13

Alegrias1

Why has the Telegraph started calling them smugglers?

Oh, yes, I know...for the same reason as they are trying to convince gullible people that getting rid of the people traffickers will get rid of the scrounging migrants.

What would you call these callous criminals taking thousands of € from vulnerable desperate people?

People traffickers.

What they are doing is hardly covert, is it?

This may be the time to remind people that as we are no longer in the EU, the free movement of peoples in Europe due to Schengen is none of our business.

I would like to know why people think targeting the gangs will solve the problem?

People want to come here and the traffickers are filling a need. Of course we all want to stop them but however many we arrest, the desire to come here will still exist. So I keep thinking it's like back street abortions in the sixties, or Prohibition in America in the thirties. The basic need, the market if you like, is still there. Unless we address it at source, somebody somewhere is going to fulfil the need.

Alegrias1

I would like to know why people think targeting the gangs will solve the problem?

People want to come here and the traffickers are filling a need. Of course we all want to stop them but however many we arrest, the desire to come here will still exist. So I keep thinking it's like back street abortions in the sixties, or Prohibition in America in the thirties. The basic need, the market if you like, is still there. Unless we address it at source, somebody somewhere is going to fulfil the need.

Which is why I suggested upthread that maybe the British Embassy in France could facilitate a travel waiver and start the process of these desperate asylum seekers negating the need for them to risk their lives crossing the channel in flimsy vessels.

Totally cutting out the cash cow of the criminals.

GillT57

This may be the time to remind people that as we are no longer in the EU, the free movement of peoples in Europe due to Schengen is none of our business.

There might not always be a Schengen area.

www.euronews.com/2021/06/02/brussels-unveils-plans-to-reform-borderless-schengen-area

lemongrove

There are very many ‘young friends’ it seems, who all have a xenophobic view of the UK.Hmmm.

Yes, I am very lucky. And no, they do not have xenophobic views of their country, but ashamed of the xenophobia they see on the front page of the Tabloids and elsewhere and what is going on in the name of this Government. They would be even more ashamed if they read some posts on GN.

Growstuff- brick wall indeed.

lemongrove, perhaps you need to go back and understand the meaning of 'xenophobic'.

GrannyGravy13

Alegrias1

I would like to know why people think targeting the gangs will solve the problem?

People want to come here and the traffickers are filling a need. Of course we all want to stop them but however many we arrest, the desire to come here will still exist. So I keep thinking it's like back street abortions in the sixties, or Prohibition in America in the thirties. The basic need, the market if you like, is still there. Unless we address it at source, somebody somewhere is going to fulfil the need.

Which is why I suggested upthread that maybe the British Embassy in France could facilitate a travel waiver and start the process of these desperate asylum seekers negating the need for them to risk their lives crossing the channel in flimsy vessels.

Totally cutting out the cash cow of the criminals.

I don't know whether it work, but thank you for a constructive idea.

MerylStreep

GillT57

This may be the time to remind people that as we are no longer in the EU, the free movement of peoples in Europe due to Schengen is none of our business.

There might not always be a Schengen area.

www.euronews.com/2021/06/02/brussels-unveils-plans-to-reform-borderless-schengen-area

Very interesting indeed MerylStreep. Very. This was being talked about in Brussels in June this year then? And things have gotten a lot worse since.

Maybe borders will be the way forward after all. We will see.

Can someone explain to me why asylum seekers (political or economic) are so desperate to come to the UK that they will pay huge amounts to people smugglers and risk their and their families’ lives, despite passing through other perfectly safe countries in Europe? I accept that some may have family who are here legally but they must be a small minority. This is a genuine question to which I would like an answer.
This has been answered, but I would like to ask why they should go to the first safe country? Surely that would soon get full - a lot fuller than the UK, which takes very few people. Should Turkey, for instance, take all the refugees from Syria who arrive there, when they are not responsible for the war?

As the UK is an island, from where should our fair share of refugees be coming?

Why has the Telegraph started calling them smugglers?

Perhaps because that is the term used by the NCA to describe organised crime groups involved in the smuggling of people from France to the UK in small boats.

Should Turkey, for instance, take all the refugees from Syria who arrive there, when they are not responsible for the war?

Turkey has taken about 3.6 million refugees from Syria. Many will want to go home again one day to rebuild their country. Jordan and Lebanon have taken about three quarters of a million each, probably more.