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Alegrias1

Stop blaming the French. Everybody who is doing it, stop blaming the French.

Take some responsibility.

It is called “othering” an easy cop out and so so wrong.

As far as I’m aware grannygravy there are no joint patrols because Macron would not allow it. I believe the PM has again suggested cooperation re joint patrols so we’ll just have to see whether this happens.

Enough now. Enough.

Alegrias1

Stop blaming the French. Everybody who is doing it, stop blaming the French.

Take some responsibility.

What can any of us do Alegrias1 ? How do you suggest we as individuals take some responsibility

Write to our MP?

Organise clothing etc to be sent to refugee charity distribution centres?

Or would you prefer it if we popped over to Calais in our big cars and gave a few a lift over here?

When these desperate souls reach the U.K. they are entitled to apply for asylum, whilst this is being processed they are reliant on The State for everything, if asylum is granted they can work, provide for themselves and pay taxes, if it is unsuccessful then they must be repatriated as opposed to staying in the U.K. under the radar.

Blimey, pardon me if I get upset and emotional when I see tiny bodies floating in the sea, and the callousness being shown.

How very dare I!!

Most who arrive are granted refugee status. These are not a bunch of chancers, they are no different to so many we have welcomed to our shores for centuries.

I am too young to remember, but my parents told me about the days when Jewish refugees were welcomed by many during WW2, and reviled by a substantial proportion of the poplulation.

Whitewavemark2

Blimey, pardon me if I get upset and emotional when I see tiny bodies floating in the sea, and the callousness being shown.

How very dare I!!

They have no shame, Wwmk2. They voted for complete isolation and are willing to pay any cost...

Whitewavemark2

Blimey, pardon me if I get upset and emotional when I see tiny bodies floating in the sea, and the callousness being shown.

How very dare I!!

I cannot see how anyone is not upset by the needless deaths yesterday.

I can still see the picture of the little boys body on the shore in Greece at the height of their influx of people.

You are not the only one WW so why would you think that?!
It doesn’t help though to say or imply that others on GN do not care about the loss of life.
It also doesn’t help to say ‘don’t blame the French’ ....the migrants are in France so should take the blame.They allow camps to build up which is the main problem.

Johnson and all keep talking about how they should work with their partners in the EU, and particularly France. They were your partners, but you have alienated them to such an extent, and you have chosen for them not to be 'partners' anymore.

And many of us warned that this would be a direct effect- but you called it 'Project Fear'.

Care to put exactly who they are MaizieD hmmm?

GrannyGravy13

Alegrias1

Stop blaming the French. Everybody who is doing it, stop blaming the French.

Take some responsibility.

What can any of us do Alegrias1 ? How do you suggest we as individuals take some responsibility

Write to our MP?

Organise clothing etc to be sent to refugee charity distribution centres?

Or would you prefer it if we popped over to Calais in our big cars and gave a few a lift over here?

When these desperate souls reach the U.K. they are entitled to apply for asylum, whilst this is being processed they are reliant on The State for everything, if asylum is granted they can work, provide for themselves and pay taxes, if it is unsuccessful then they must be repatriated as opposed to staying in the U.K. under the radar.

Are the French whiter than white? No of course not. On a Newsnight report last night we saw them taking away people's belongings and moving them on with nowhere for them to go. Humanitarian organisations then gave them sleeping bags etc, which the authorities took away again...etc. etc.

However there is a neverending chorus of how the French should be doing this or that, they should be stopping them, they're not co-operating.

The French stopped 65% of all crossings in the last year. So posters saying they are doing nothing are either wildly misinformed or maliciously blaming the French for doing nothing and so letting our country off the hook.

Take the responsibility that it is our responsibility as a country to do something about this. Becuase until we do nothing will get fixed. Let's not try to pretend its nothing to do with us and its all the French's fault, because we are a humanitarian country and look at all the money we're spending on these scroungers.

It makes my blood boil.

Do people realise how difficult it is to police about 150 km of - often rugged - coastline, and the manpower needed to do this?

As surveillance increases - so do the methods and tactics of the traffickers. There is also a policy of not intercepting boats once they are in the water as this is considered too dangerous due to the risk of panic or sudden movement that could capsize the vessel. The traffickers know this and adjust their MO accordingly.

The media is full of photo's showing the police standing by whilst migrants sail away - but if you search just a few minutes longer, there are also photo's of dinghies that have been slashed by the police to prevent them being used. The media is selective.

We need co-operation between our two countries, and the government's continual anti-EU, anti-French, rhetoric really does not help.

How well do you think we would cope if the situation were reversed? Would we be as gung-ho as we expect the French to be?

It's so easy to be critical.

It also doesn’t help to say ‘don’t blame the French’ ....the migrants are in France so should take the blame. They allow camps to build up which is the main problem.

Read my post. Try not to be so uninformed.

Kali2

Johnson and all keep talking about how they should work with their partners in the EU, and particularly France. They were your partners, but you have alienated them to such an extent, and you have chosen for them not to be 'partners' anymore.

So....we have ‘alienated’ France by leaving the EU bloc and this is why they aren’t taking responsibility for the migrants there,
Is this what you are saying Kali ? Shocking!

lemongrove

You are not the only one WW so why would you think that?!
It doesn’t help though to say or imply that others on GN do not care about the loss of life.
It also doesn’t help to say ‘don’t blame the French’ ....the migrants are in France so should take the blame.They allow camps to build up which is the main problem.

There have been some reports from observers that the temporary camps (I do not think camp is an accurate description of a hotchpotch of tarpaulins/plastic bags etc being used for cover) are being systematically destroyed by French Police in order to discourage the migrants.

If this is correct, they are indirectly contributing to the dangerous channel crossings these desperate folks are attempting.

Kali2

Johnson and all keep talking about how they should work with their partners in the EU, and particularly France. They were your partners, but you have alienated them to such an extent, and you have chosen for them not to be 'partners' anymore.

Oh for heavens sake. Stop banging the Brexit drum. It’s over we have left. Get over it.

Sorry to repeat myself... but read my bl**dy post!!

Dickens

Do people realise how difficult it is to police about 150 km of - often rugged - coastline, and the manpower needed to do this?

As surveillance increases - so do the methods and tactics of the traffickers. There is also a policy of not intercepting boats once they are in the water as this is considered too dangerous due to the risk of panic or sudden movement that could capsize the vessel. The traffickers know this and adjust their MO accordingly.

The media is full of photo's showing the police standing by whilst migrants sail away - but if you search just a few minutes longer, there are also photo's of dinghies that have been slashed by the police to prevent them being used. The media is selective.

We need co-operation between our two countries, and the government's continual anti-EU, anti-French, rhetoric really does not help.

How well do you think we would cope if the situation were reversed? Would we be as gung-ho as we expect the French to be?

It's so easy to be critical.

Good post ! Particularly this “ The media is full of photo's showing the police standing by whilst migrants sail away - but if you search just a few minutes longer, there are also photo's of dinghies that have been slashed by the police to prevent them being used. The media is selective.”

Alegrias1

^It also doesn’t help to say ‘don’t blame the French’ ....the migrants are in France so should take the blame. They allow camps to build up which is the main problem.^

Read my post. Try not to be so uninformed.

The French police have only just recently smashed up one of the camps - there are photo's of the migrants queuing up with backpacks - and some with their inflatables - waiting to be bussed back to the asylum centre.

Much of the media would prefer to show photo's of the police watching them sail away towards the channel though...

This is where the law stands.

www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjHne7UlbP0AhXH8bsIHY60CRIQFnoECA8QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.infomigrants.net%2Fen%2Fpost%2F21314%2Fsea-rescue--what-the-law-says&usg=AOvVaw3c_3-HkclgLYdWLLR3DWIF

Allowing the camps to build up is a big part of the problem,
If there were no camps then people smugglers couldn’t trawl them for clients for a start.
We already are co-operating with French authorities on this matter and have been for years, but we cannot stop people getting into boats over there.

lemongrove

Allowing the camps to build up is a big part of the problem,
If there were no camps then people smugglers couldn’t trawl them for clients for a start.
We already are co-operating with French authorities on this matter and have been for years, but we cannot stop people getting into boats over there.

So what should happen to the migrants who turn up there ?