What will the judiciary do?

Maremia

I didn't know that about the extra amendments MaizieD. Is there not some parliamentary procedure to stop this? Did the Speaker allow it? Must have. Can't be right. In fact, it's an undemocratic disgrace. And Folk on here are thinking it's going to be okay to trust this lot!!!!

I started a thread about it last week, Maremia. It didn't attract much interest...

www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1303798-The-policing-bill-currently-going-through-parliament-is-becoming-more-draconian

You weren't kidding! This country is sleepwalk/sliding into dictatorship.

I believe that it is the right to PEACEFUL protest (ie non violent) which is allowable under the law. Protesters such as Extinction Rebellion who throw paint around and are generally disruptive are very questionable as are the Insulate Britain crew who disrupt working people, emergency vehicles etc by hanging around busy motorways and wasting police time which could be used far more productively for the benefit of citizenry in general. These days protests seem so easily to escalate to violence. Intimidation of law abiding people is nobody’s democratic right and should be properly dealt with. From what I have seen, the police should be reminded of their duties and stop conniving with lawbreakers just to keep up with the latest trends. And the courts should get real with their sentencing and stop letting people off with a slap on the wrist as they do for most crimes these days.

00:19Amalegra

Agree Amalegra Well said.

Extinction Rebellion dug up the beautiful lawn at King’s College, Cambridge which gave so many pleasure, especially when the crocuses planted in it came out. The College decided not to take action. I would like to see that sort of ‘protest’ punished.

The people who dug up the lawn were prosecuted and fined, which I think counts a punishment?

I'm not sure what "action" you would expect the college to take?

Lawns grow back.

They don’t grow back when great lumps of them have been dug out of them Alegrias. The College could have claimed compensation which would have been pretty pointless. Anyway they have now planted a wildflower meadow.

Lawns don't grow back? Never knew. That's why I don't go on the gardening threads.

Part of the judgement from the courts was that the protesters had to pay compensation.

Germanshepherdsmum

Extinction Rebellion dug up the beautiful lawn at King’s College, Cambridge which gave so many pleasure, especially when the crocuses planted in it came out. The College decided not to take action. I would like to see that sort of ‘protest’ punished.

It could have been. Our current laws are perfectly adequate to deal with such damage. The fact that the college decided to take no action is beside the point.

Amalegra

I believe that it is the right to PEACEFUL protest (ie non violent) which is allowable under the law. Protesters such as Extinction Rebellion who throw paint around and are generally disruptive are very questionable as are the Insulate Britain crew who disrupt working people, emergency vehicles etc by hanging around busy motorways and wasting police time which could be used far more productively for the benefit of citizenry in general. These days protests seem so easily to escalate to violence. Intimidation of law abiding people is nobody’s democratic right and should be properly dealt with. From what I have seen, the police should be reminded of their duties and stop conniving with lawbreakers just to keep up with the latest trends. And the courts should get real with their sentencing and stop letting people off with a slap on the wrist as they do for most crimes these days.

Those police officers will want a future from themselves, their children and grandchildren so they might be very much in support of people fighting for that.

Germanshepherdsmum

They don’t grow back when great lumps of them have been dug out of them Alegrias. The College could have claimed compensation which would have been pretty pointless. Anyway they have now planted a wildflower meadow.

A wildflower meadow will be lovely. We have had them in various places where I live and you can't really beat them plus they are great for insect life.

How did women get the right to vote? Did the Suffragettes stay at home knitting, and writing gentle words to politicians asking 'Please, please let us be allowed to vote?' Read your history. Read what they had to do. What they had to endure.

Women’s suffrage was for at least 50% of the population who were not franchised.

I think we already know Maremia.

Germanshepherdsmum

Extinction Rebellion dug up the beautiful lawn at King’s College, Cambridge which gave so many pleasure, especially when the crocuses planted in it came out. The College decided not to take action. I would like to see that sort of ‘protest’ punished.

As far as I can gather it was the lawn at Trinity College they dug up. It has been replanted with crocus bulbs www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/trinity-lawn-relaid-extinction-rebellion-19180122
King's college have planted a wildflower meadow.

25Avalon

Women’s suffrage was for at least 50% of the population who were not franchised.

Saving the planet from the effects of global warming is for 100% of the population.

Was it, Trisher - I stand corrected then. It was such an act of wanton vandalism, apparently because whichever college it was had links to slavery - which ancient institution or aristocratic family doesn't? And not XR's main agenda I think.

It was done because the Cambridge colleges have millions of pounds invested in fossil fuel industries.

My point is, you don't elicit change in your favour, by staying at home and saying 'Pretty please'.

Maremia

My point is, you don't elicit change in your favour, by staying at home and saying 'Pretty please'.

You don’t elicit change by wantonly destroying property, stopping people from getting medical care or visiting their sick children, stopping people from working, especially those whose job is to insulate homes or offices. Yes the suffragettes did break the law, but not to the extent that these vandals are doing, and don’t think they stopped ambulances etc.
These protestors deserve all they get coming to them. The world knows about climate change, the UK gov is doing much, our area is doing a great deal. Think much of this is political rather than anything else, plenty of insulation grants going , if they stick their hands to anything let them stay there for the night. Their choice.

The suffragettes burnt down a railway station near where I live. That was quite disruptive I expect. Postal boxes were a favourite target as well I believe. Goodness knows what was lost.

As for the idea that the UK government are doing much about climate change, that is not correct.

Linclass Well said.

Well said Lincslass. Whatever punishments are meted out to such protesters, they won’t be anything like some of the suffragettes had to endure.

It's good that you all know about what the suffragettes suffered to get women the vote. Don't know if I would have had the strength to persist, as they did. How would they feel, seeing how we sit at home doing nothing to defend the gradual, sneaky removal of the our rights?

'removal of our rights'... before the Pedants' Revolt begins.