What will the judiciary do?

I think we may be the intended target of Bojo.He hates the Scots

What tosh.
But it suits your narrative I suppose paddyanne.
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Sorry winterwhite. Threads do meander though.
Easily done.

I wish those who want to talk about Scotland would start another thread. This is an important subject.

So's Scotland

(Sorry, couldn't resist.)

I don't think that the target of this bill is exclusively the Scots protesters. I think the current government sees how popular it would be with some members of the electorate to look as though they are being tough on disruptive protesters. Then even if the Bill gets defeated, they can say how they tried to bring in tougher measures but the snowflakes/enemies of the people/traitors wouldn't let them.

I wish those who want to talk about Scotland would start another thread. This is an important subject.

It's the second time it's been tried in the last few days, winterwhite and the subject of loss of age old freedoms hasn't exactly attracted much interest, has it?

So it's not surprising it's wandered...

When protests cause a worker to have to drive 3 miles on a circuitous route to get to work as the protesters have blocked the road that us a nuisance. When those idiots superglued themselves to the road surface having emergency workers get them unstuck that is a nuisance. Who are those people who seem to have all the time in the world to cause a nuisance to the public. Noticed at COP26 demos many of the protesters were waving their plastic banners. So much for saving the environment.

4allweknow

When protests cause a worker to have to drive 3 miles on a circuitous route to get to work as the protesters have blocked the road that us a nuisance. When those idiots superglued themselves to the road surface having emergency workers get them unstuck that is a nuisance. Who are those people who seem to have all the time in the world to cause a nuisance to the public. Noticed at COP26 demos many of the protesters were waving their plastic banners. So much for saving the environment.

Is there anyone that the English do like?

Hate asylum seekers, hate protestors... not keen on 'woke',

Dickens

I think it's a slippery slope. A minefield in fact.

Protests are by nature 'loud', and the mere presence of a group whose ideology you oppose, is 'annoying'.

It's so ambiguous. I see trouble ahead.

Yes, people seem blind to the dangers. The start of a very slippery slope.

theworriedwell

Dickens

I think it's a slippery slope. A minefield in fact.

Protests are by nature 'loud', and the mere presence of a group whose ideology you oppose, is 'annoying'.

It's so ambiguous. I see trouble ahead.

Yes, people seem blind to the dangers. The start of a very slippery slope.

They think it's never going to apply to them.

MaizieD

theworriedwell

Dickens

I think it's a slippery slope. A minefield in fact.

Protests are by nature 'loud', and the mere presence of a group whose ideology you oppose, is 'annoying'.

It's so ambiguous. I see trouble ahead.

Yes, people seem blind to the dangers. The start of a very slippery slope.

They think it's never going to apply to them.

Yes I think that is true. Reminds of this

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

Exactly, theworriedwell. I am shocked to see the potential erosion of civil liberties that we as a nation, have always held dear - noisy or quiet, they are a way of giving a clear message.
I protested ( noisily) against the Vietnam war. My late father protested ( quietly) as Blackshirts marched through London. The crowd watched in silence, then turned their backs as the march passed.
Both methods legal, and effective, at making our feelings known. Long may these rights continue.

Reading your middle paragraph there Chocolatelovinggran put a shiver down my spine.

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Chocolatelovinggran

Exactly, theworriedwell. I am shocked to see the potential erosion of civil liberties that we as a nation, have always held dear - noisy or quiet, they are a way of giving a clear message.
I protested ( noisily) against the Vietnam war. My late father protested ( quietly) as Blackshirts marched through London. The crowd watched in silence, then turned their backs as the march passed.
Both methods legal, and effective, at making our feelings known. Long may these rights continue.

I sometimes think we have gone back 100 years and all the mistakes and disasters are happening again. I fear for my children and GC.

Well yes of course Scotland is important but it does not happen to be the subject of this thread.

Maybe an analogy here with those who think insulation such an important topic that it can bulldoze everything else out of the way? ?

To return to the proposed bill and its sanctions against severe offences, among which I include road-blocking and preventing railways from running, prison is an absurd idea as others have said.
Community service involving sacrifice of free time would be preferable but it seems to be difficult to devise or operate good schemes. I don't know the answer but I do think sanctions should be tied to specific offences and not involve the principle of the right to protest.

It's all a bit subjective in my opinion. "They" have a democratic right to protest, "I" have a democratic right to go about my lawful business in a peaceful and uninterrupted manor. Who's rights take priority? I have no problem with people marching with banners showing their opinion, but when they become obstructive and aggressive, then I believe they have crossed a line and need to be reigned in. This is not an erosion of civil liberties, but an assurance that everyone's civil liberties are upheld.

Surely the judiciary is bound to uphold any law that Parliament has passed?

If the deem it unconstitutional they can take the matter to the High Courts of the various countries in the UK, but while any court case there is pending they have to uphold the law.

Your quote, theworriedwell, is spot on! Thank you. I hope people read it again and again. I am amazed at the comments people have expressed about the opposition to this bill. Are some the same people who oppose those who speak out against covid restrictions! Smacks of double standards to me.

I don’t understand why the OP thinks ‘the judiciary’ will act any differently on these new laws than on any others. Just because you feel strongly about them doesn’t make them special. The judiciary are there to uphold whatever laws have been democratically voted on and applied.

Politicians can and do change our laws.
I’m sure she will get her way. Our opposition is poor. Sadly our PM is repeatedly proving ineffective, my fear is he’s incapable.
Our PM hasn’t grown up and we’re suffering. Where is the opposition? Do they know their role?

It is an appalling Bill. An attack on our democratic right to protest. I do not trust this Government, nor the current Home Secretary. I dread what it will provoke. Just because it is legal does not make it right. During Ann Frank's time, it was 'legal' to round up and execute the Jews.
Yes, happy to move the boundary to Hadrian's Wall, for those who wish to join our freedom.

Thanks theworriedwell, that is a very poignant quote

Yes, happy to move the boundary to Hadrian's Wall, for those who wish to join our freedom.

Could you move it to just north of the Tees, please?

vickymeldrew

I don’t understand why the OP thinks ‘the judiciary’ will act any differently on these new laws than on any others. Just because you feel strongly about them doesn’t make them special. The judiciary are there to uphold whatever laws have been democratically voted on and applied.

So, when did you have your democratic vote on the provisions in this bill, vickymeldrew ?

Was it in the tory manifesto?

"We're going to remove as many rights to protest as we possibly can with draconian sentences for offenders"

Is that what you voted for?

Even our MPs didn't get much of a chance to vote on them because Patel added a number of amendments after MPs had voted on it. Let's hope the Lords will throw them out...

I didn't know that about the extra amendments MaizieD. Is there not some parliamentary procedure to stop this? Did the Speaker allow it? Must have. Can't be right. In fact, it's an undemocratic disgrace. And Folk on here are thinking it's going to be okay to trust this lot!!!!

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Being Scottish - Being Kind. :-)