People blocking Lifeboat Stations.

Maudi

15:19BlueBelle Let's swap some refugees for some of our work shy individuals we can throw some home grown murderers and child abusers in if you want

How do you know if these undocumented so called asylum seekers aren't murderers and child Abusers or worse.

So many comments to make about your foolish fears.

LilyoftheValley

Gaga Jo. Sound as selfish as the "asylum seekers" who are determined to access our welfare system by not obeying the rules and entering the country without permission! No problem with people who fill in forms and arrive here openly and don't break rules even as they arrive.

Get used to it happening. The world is on fire and we are not suffering (yet). Unless you want a barbed wire fence and no one allowed in OR out, you won't stop it. People are desperate. Laws on pieces of paper won't stop people from trying to save their families.

Not sure GN members would approve of us banning overseas holidays!

LilyoftheValley

Gaga Jo. Sound as selfish as the "asylum seekers" who are determined to access our welfare system by not obeying the rules and entering the country without permission! No problem with people who fill in forms and arrive here openly and don't break rules even as they arrive.

I think you should research the issue you are commenting on before you post.

"Asylum seekers" - inverted commas are not needed. Asylum seekers are a legitimate group of people.

They do NOT access our welfare system because as asylum seekers, they are not allowed to. They receive an allowance - a fixed sum depending on their needs. It is budgeted for because we are a signatory to the 1951 Refugee Convention. The sum they receive is roughly the same as they get in any other country which has signed up to the same Convention.

As for "filling in forms" - some of the countries they are fleeing don't even have consular services, nor forms to fill in. And if you are fleeing from barrel bombs and war - or a wilderness laid bare through famine, or a climate catastrophe with no food, no water - or persecution from your own government - where, pray, do you think these people should find these forms, if they even exist?

... and they are arriving "openly", because they are not breaking any law, they do not need permission to claim asylum.

We have a duty to either accept or reject asylum claims under the rules of the 1951 refugee convention, to which we are a signatory.

And just in case you also believe they are all living the life of luxury in 5 star hotels - pre-pandemic the accommodation they were usually housed in does not allow for social-distancing because it is cramped with bunk-beds, so the government are utilising available rooms in hotels - most of which are budget hotels. If 5 star hotels are used, it is because they have vacant rooms - probably not utilised because of the pandemic.

I'm telling you this because your comment is inflammatory and ill-informed, and you are helping to spread and fan the flames of anti-immigrant rhetoric.

Great post Dickens

21:31Summerlove

Maudi

15:19BlueBelle Let's swap some refugees for some of our work shy individuals we can throw some home grown murderers and child abusers in if you want

How do you know if these undocumented so called asylum seekers aren't murderers and child Abusers or worse.

So many comments to make about your foolish fears.

Summerlove you must be very naive if you think every so called asylum seeker is pure as the driven snow.

Just deleted a response to this post because it's not worth it.

I'm trying to think of an adjective which would describe you.

Neither is every social worker, but we don't barricade our doors against all of them.

I'm trying to think of an adjective which would describe you.

Scared? Manipulated? Misled? Obdurate?

I like obdurate.

Message deleted by Gransnet. Here's a link to our Talk guidelines.

The people we pass on our way to work may include individuals with less than perfect morals or ethics, so if any of them is knocked down by a car and injured, should we pass by without giving any help?

I have read the replies to my post with interest, the replies seem to be concentrating solely on refugees and asylum seekers.
Do any of the posters have any idea how much sea traffic there is around the coast of the UK.
All of those at sea deserve the same treatment, and the RNLI do not discriminate.
The Channel is one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world and all deserve the same treatment.
I was addressing saving lives at sea, not pick and mix what suits your point of view.
The RNLI also work in close cooperation with other nations bordering the channel and and other sea areas and disturbing the service could cause serious problems, including ferries and container ships.
In the scheme of things asylum seekers are a tiny minority at sea on any day, tragic though they are.

Maudi “ Summerlove you must be very naive if you think every so called asylum seeker is pure as the driven snow.”

When exactly did Summerlove say that ???

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Sorry. Trying again.

Live shipping map of the English channel, one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world.
www.bognorregisbeach.co.uk/live-shipping-map-english-channel

Exactly Elegran, busy and dangerous, and reliant on the RNLI.

lemongrove

Oh give over BlueBelle it’s a few stupid protesters that’s all.

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Brilliant post Dickens - the UK, and maybe England in particular needs to hang its societal head in shame at the way it has treated refugees and asylum claimants.

The country should also be ashamed of the constant "benefits cheats" attacks by sections of the media on its own citizens.

The establishment squirrel away £millions to avoid tax and those who do - like those referred to in the Pandora Papers - need to be found and assets frozen and it needs to be made highlighted that the likes of Rees-Mogg, Geoffrey Cox and others PRETEND they are patriotic. They are responsible for the lack of funding and assets available to essential public services across all aspects of UK society, which they clearly do not believe in.

JenniferEccles

I don’t know how many times this has to be repeated but these
‘poor helpless migrants’ deliberately put themselves in danger in crossing the Channel when they have left a perfectly safe France!

‘How desperate must they be?’someone asked. Maybe that’s the question.
Why are they so desperate to get here after having travelled through umpteen safe European countries?
Is it because they feel they have won the jackpot by getting to the UK?
They know that there is a virtually zero chance of them being sent home even if their asylum application is turned down. Umpteen appeals by the ever eager Human Rights lawyers will ensure that even the criminals amongst them will still be here year after year.
How can that be right?

I don’t agree with what the protesters are doing but something has to be done to stop this illegal trafficking.

Well said. I'm sure some of the posters on here try to 'outdo' one another with how many heart wrenching words they can describe to gain sympathy

It wasn't true, they did not do what was reported

jenni123

It wasn't true, they did not do what was reported

There's a video

Who put illegal immigrants in the boats, wasn’t aware France was war torn must have missed that on the news. So your saying your fine with these young fighting age men coming into our country. No they don’t fear for their lives otherwise would stop in first place that was safe, why leave wife and kids behind. Life boats are becoming a taxi service and ppl are getting fed up with it.

Oh my goodness it just goes on and on and on.

Felice
Put at risk?Just how ? lets not be too hasty but wait for details to come from a RELIABLE source .

Some commendable comments on this thread, but no-one goes further into where the migrants will be housed once their applications have potentially been accepted.

The infrastructure is already sadly lacking! Where will they live? Which schools will their children attend? And how will the over-stretched NHS cope with thousands of extra citizens?