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People blocking Lifeboat Stations.

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felice Wed 01-Dec-21 12:26:21

I saw in a news article that some anti-migrant protestors have blocked a Lifeboat station stopping the Lifeboat from launching.
I have close family who are Fishermen, I am shocked that this is allowed to happen.
Surely they are endangering lives and should be charged as such ??

Elegran Thu 02-Dec-21 14:31:25

In this case, it must be caused by an instinctive fear of ousiders. That and, "Don't confuse me with facts."
"Most of the time our lives revolve around uncertainty. At every instance our brain is programmed to fear the worst. After-all, that is how our ancestors would have survived. Those who attributed the disturbance in surroundings and brushed it aside as trivial would have fallen pray to the wild creatures in ancient eras. We inevitably would have inherited the genes of those who feared the worst and acted accordingly. The same thought process still dominate our brains. Whenever encountered with uncertainty the brain goes on a tantrum. It fears the worst and prepares ourselves for the worst. But how often have your worst fears materialized? I'm sure the answer would be, very rarely. Otherwise most of us would not exist. Its not only related to existence but to every walk of our lives. Education, profession, health, relationships the list is never ending. The voice in our head is nihilistic to say the least." In this case, it must be caused by an instinctive fear of ousiders.
"Most of the time our lives revolve around uncertainty. At every instance our brain is programmed to fear the worst. After-all, that is how our ancestors would have survived. Those who attributed the disturbance in surroundings and brushed it aside as trivial would have fallen pray to the wild creatures in ancient eras. We inevitably would have inherited the genes of those who feared the worst and acted accordingly. The same thought process still dominate our brains. Whenever encountered with uncertainty the brain goes on a tantrum. It fears the worst and prepares ourselves for the worst. But how often have your worst fears materialized? I'm sure the answer would be, very rarely. Otherwise most of us would not exist. Its not only related to existence but to every walk of our lives. Education, profession, health, relationships the list is never ending. The voice in our head is nihilistic to say the least." www.linkedin.com/pulse/quest-balance-between-chaos-order-four-pronged-arunthavanathan

Elegran Thu 02-Dec-21 14:34:25

That reply was to Alegrias.

Railman " - - there must be someone else to blame, and someone else the UK can declare as the culprit" and there are many who are happy to fall in with that attitude.

Kali2 Thu 02-Dec-21 14:42:07

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JdotJ Thu 02-Dec-21 14:46:11

Elvis58

Trouble is most are economic migrants and until they land here cannot not be processed as genuine refugees.In the meantime they stay, are paid, fed and found accomadation and we the tax payer pay for the lawyers to fight for their right to stay in this country and very few are ever deported.
We as a country are being taken for mugs.Try and do the same in any other country and see where it gets you.In Autralia they turned the boats round and the refugees threw their children in the water thinking the immigration authorities would fish them out instead they watched the parents fished them out eventually and turned round a few months of that they stopped coming they got the message.
Sorry l dont agree with all of you but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I agree with you

Alegrias1 Thu 02-Dec-21 14:49:23

How can you agree with somebody when almost everything they have written has been shown to be incorrect?

Is this some kind of mass hysteria?

Elegran Thu 02-Dec-21 14:52:22

Elvis So you would starve them out?

Elegran Thu 02-Dec-21 14:53:21

Do read some of the FACTS and replace your FICTIONS with what you find out.

Alegrias1 Thu 02-Dec-21 14:58:08

Regarding the scurrilous claim that people threw their own children into the sea. It was proven to be completely made up and used by the Howard Government to bolster their case for re-election.

The Australian Senate Select Committee for an inquiry into a certain maritime incident later found that no children had been at risk of being thrown overboard and that the government had known this prior to the election. The government was criticised for misleading the public and cynically "(exploiting) voters' fears of a wave of illegal immigrants by demonising asylum-seekers".[1][2]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_Overboard_affair

MerylStreep Thu 02-Dec-21 14:58:34

Kali2
I’ve always known the film as I am not your negro not as you’ve put it with the N word.

MerylStreep Thu 02-Dec-21 15:00:20

It is advertised as such.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ol9Tf39jh8

Kali2 Thu 02-Dec-21 15:06:50

Yes, I did a direct translation from the French title. Both words were used throughout. It makes little difference to the context, history, facts or desperate situation.

Have you ever actually seen the film?

Kali2 Thu 02-Dec-21 15:07:56

Have you actually watched the clip you posted. He uses the very word.

4allweknow Thu 02-Dec-21 15:11:43

Growstuff As stated, the women were not against refugees in the UK. The issue raised was the priority given to the refugees ie brand new social housing long awaited and needed by locals.

railman Thu 02-Dec-21 15:26:41

Elvis58 - you made this remark I think:

"Trouble is most are economic migrants and until they land here cannot not be processed as genuine refugees."

There is no evidence at all that "most are economic migrants", and as far as I'm aware it is UK legislation alone that has determined they need to set foot on UK soil before they can claim asylum.

railman Thu 02-Dec-21 15:27:42

4allweknow

Growstuff As stated, the women were not against refugees in the UK. The issue raised was the priority given to the refugees ie brand new social housing long awaited and needed by locals.

Fascinating - what evidence do they have regarding priority treatment for refugees in "new homes".?

Kali2 Thu 02-Dec-21 15:29:31

Kali2

Have you actually watched the clip you posted. He uses the very word.

Actions are indeed louder than words, and one N word is very much like another, if you are one. In South Africa they use the K word.

railman Thu 02-Dec-21 15:31:39

"Is this some kind of mass hysteria?"

I was beginning to wonder that too Alegrias1

Brainwashing was never the preserve of autocrats or dictators - it seems quite commonplace listening to the ramblings on and off script from Government Ministers in TV interviews.

Maremia Thu 02-Dec-21 15:40:13

Why don't we simply invoke the DUBLIN ACCORD? You know, the agreement whereby we are entitled to return people to the (safe) country they have just left? Would that not work? Oh wait. We can't do that now. That was, and still is an, EU agreement, and we have done a BREXIT, so it doesn't apply to us. Talk about shooting yourself in your cloven hoof!

Kali2 Thu 02-Dec-21 15:43:46

Yes, Maremia, many of us tried to explain that would be the case ... but they called it 'Project Fear' or 'scaremongering' - but they will never ever admit they were seriously warned, repeatedly.

Kali2 Thu 02-Dec-21 15:45:37

I do think this has all got far far beyond 'Brexit' - but has come down to the fact people who were warned and chose to call it 'scaremongering' or 'Project fear' will just not be able to accept the warnings were correct ( = they were wr*ng!).

Anneeba Thu 02-Dec-21 17:09:54

As a point of interest, may I ask how many if the 'let them drown', ' they are not like us so not welcome' brigade will be dutifully turning up in church on Sundays and Christmas Eve, feeling full of self-satisfaction? Will any of them stop a second to reflect on the various teachings of their chosen God? Or upon walking out their church's door, will they immediately be ready to snatch a crust of bread out of an immigrant's hand and put him back on a lilo to go so ewhere else? I cannot believe the heartlessness, the 'I'm better than them' mindset if people fortunate enough to buy the pearls that so nicely match their twinsets. Do make sure your lovely hat is on straight won't you?

Anneeba Thu 02-Dec-21 17:11:18

Lots of typos, I blame my quaking with anger fat fingers

TopsyIrene06 Thu 02-Dec-21 17:29:27

I sometimes wonder if I am on the right forum for my personality and should not engage but here I go again. Just exactly why some smug, armchair critics think the RNLI should be blocked from giving help to anyone in trouble at sea, is truly mystifying and unkind. I’ll say it again, how desperate must you be to attempt to cross the channel in inadequate boats with untrained, untrustworthy amateur sailors? However I think me banging on about it is futile. Have a heart please.

MerylStreep Thu 02-Dec-21 17:37:45

bear1

Frence maritime law is broken by the french every time one of these migrants over crowded un sea worthy boats is launched but no one blames the french for breaking their own laws or not stopping the boats before they reach british waters which they should be doing then maybe we would have less coming here

This law applies when your leaving a Port
These people aren’t leaving a port and there are no authorities to inform.

Elegran Thu 02-Dec-21 17:45:13

TopsyIrene06 How many posters "think the RNLI should be blocked from giving help" and how many think anyone blocking them is committing a criminal act and should be arrested? Count them up before assuming GN is not the forum for you. Don't tar all Gransnetters with the same brush!