People blocking Lifeboat Stations.

Rosina

Depressing to keep reading accusations of 'outright racism', 'bigotry' etc. when, if you 'RTFT', which I have, posters opinions seem to be contradicting each other on almost every 'fact' that is being put forward. I am well aware that European refugees are suffering trisher - it happens when your economy and society have collapsed and/or you are in the middle of a war zone - and the UK has always had a welcoming attitude apart from a few lunatics of the sort that prompted the original post. However - my concern was expressed for what happens once the refugees are here. How well can we educate children who cannot speak the language and are likely to be extremely traumatised? The waiting lists are horrendous for mental health services for young people - and many inner city schools have portakabins in playgrounds. Then there is the question of housing and the pressure on the NHS. This is not bigotry or racism - it's a matter of hard facts, and if people think more money from the government is the answer, then perhaps it is, but it won't cure any of these problems at once. New hospitals need staff - a shortage of which is part of the health crisis that we have now.

More money from the govenment is the answer Rosina cuts to education in the last 10 years have decimated schools. It costs £99 a day to keep someone in immigration detention and around 2000 people are held in these places. That's £200,000 every day. Most of these people want to work. Asylum seekers (who are not held in immigration detention centres) want to work. Farmers need workers, the care system needs workers, the NHS needs workers. Workers pay taxes and contribute to the economy which means we can run a decent education service and a proper health service. Instead we have a crazy system which stops people working, keeps them in limbo for years and/or deports people forcibly and returns them to places where they have suffered. Not only is the system inhumane it is ridiculous and the only possible reason it continues to exist is because it feeds racism and xenophobia.

Precisely, trisher. ?

Not only do they want to work- but we are desperate for people to do the jobs.

trisher I do realise all of this - but how much use is it to talk about what should be? It is as it is, and there is an immediate and growing potential for disaster - many people lost their lives only last week. You would have to be made of stone to not have pity and compassion for people who flee, but the answer is not to accept human beings that we cannot treat humanely.

but the answer is not to accept human beings that we cannot treat humanely.

I have some sympathy at a certain level with that. We can't even treat our own UK human beings humanely...

But. It's no reason at all for attempting to turn these people away. How would you propose to do it? Bomb the little boats? Machine gun the occupants?

WHATEVER ANYONE DOES WILL NOT STOP THEM COMING Why is this so bloody difficult to understand?

Lucca

I say it again, how nice would it be if everyone read what you have written elegran.

Totally agree.

I lived in a town in Germany with a high population of refugee's back in the 90's, not a place most Gransnetters could imagine or cope with. I won't tell you what it is like to live there as it won't fit into your "all people are lovely" world. The truth hurts.

Nobody thinks all people are lovely. Stop making things up.

Most people think all people are human beings.

Some people are not lovely. We all know that. But most people are just average. If you leave all of them to perish, you are punishing the majority for what you think the minority might do.

The logical end of that kind of thinking is that we may as well just set off simultaneous nuclear bombs all over the globe and be done with it. That would serve the baddies right!

grannypiper

I lived in a town in Germany with a high population of refugee's back in the 90's, not a place most Gransnetters could imagine or cope with. I won't tell you what it is like to live there as it won't fit into your "all people are lovely" world. The truth hurts.

I could take you to places in the UK where there isn't a single immigrant but not all of the people are lovely. What does that prove?

Where is that then??

trisher you are right we have plenty of our own that are a nightmare, we do not need to have an open border policy and allow people to come in unchecked.

grannypiper

trisher you are right we have plenty of our own that are a nightmare, we do not need to have an open border policy and allow people to come in unchecked.

Nobody's talking about an open border policy.

And other places have plenty who are lovely people, who don't deserve the traumatic things that have have happened to them, nor do they deserve to be left to starve, freeze, or drown becausea few of their fellow-countrymen are as predatory and heartless as the worst of our own.

I do think there are some who believe these people land on the beach and we say welcome to Britain, hand them a mobile phone, an NI number and the keys to a council house, then wave them off never to be seen again.

MaizieD Are you serious? I will reply civilly to your outrageous remark - no, I would not bomb boats or drown people. GN is, hopefully, a discussion forum and if my views don't entirely chime with yours, confrontational and frankly silly remarks are tiresome. Most people are polite, but posters who find it necessary to be aggressive with comments such as 'Don't you understand?' and 'I'll try to explain this once again' ( presumably for the benefit of the intellectually challenged among us) are killing debate. Would you be so rude to my face? I doubt it.

Alegrias1

I do think there are some who believe these people land on the beach and we say welcome to Britain, hand them a mobile phone, an NI number and the keys to a council house, then wave them off never to be seen again.

Don't forget the car.

Rosina

Depressing to keep reading accusations of 'outright racism', 'bigotry' etc. when, if you 'RTFT', which I have, posters opinions seem to be contradicting each other on almost every 'fact' that is being put forward. I am well aware that European refugees are suffering trisher - it happens when your economy and society have collapsed and/or you are in the middle of a war zone - and the UK has always had a welcoming attitude apart from a few lunatics of the sort that prompted the original post. However - my concern was expressed for what happens once the refugees are here. How well can we educate children who cannot speak the language and are likely to be extremely traumatised? The waiting lists are horrendous for mental health services for young people - and many inner city schools have portakabins in playgrounds. Then there is the question of housing and the pressure on the NHS. This is not bigotry or racism - it's a matter of hard facts, and if people think more money from the government is the answer, then perhaps it is, but it won't cure any of these problems at once. New hospitals need staff - a shortage of which is part of the health crisis that we have now.

All true Rosina.....but easier for those who are race obsessed to ignore and carry on trying to make out that there is racism everywhere.
It’s simply a people problem, no matter where they come from, too many people all arriving at the same time.A knotty problem to solve for governments everywhere.

Lucca

UG (I think)posted it the other day.

Wasn’t me. I’ve no idea about this topic.

Lemongrove agreed - and don't they jump on the bandwagon !

Can someone explain please. If the immigrants pay large amounts of money to the people smugglers why don't they use that money to set up home somewhere in Europe and in turn maybe settle down and get a job etc.

FindingNemo15

Can someone explain please. If the immigrants pay large amounts of money to the people smugglers why don't they use that money to set up home somewhere in Europe and in turn maybe settle down and get a job etc.

Alegrias, can I borrow your banging head against a brick wall GIF please?

With pleasure MaizieD!

MaizieD
Alegrias, can I borrow your banging head against a brick wall GIF please?

Answering FindingNemo’s question would be a lot less painful - wouldn’t it??

tickingbird

MaizieD
Alegrias, can I borrow your banging head against a brick wall GIF please?

Answering FindingNemo’s question would be a lot less painful - wouldn’t it??

Go ahead, then, tickingbird. Feel free.

Just repeat what has been said over and over again on this thread...