The leader has become a liability

Also, instead of insulting my intelligence, my don't you suggest how I and everyone else employs carers and support staff in the meantime to support vulnerable people whilst someone (who? the sainted ideot PM) come up with a long term solution because it isn't going to happen in the short term cheaply or at all, let alone long term. What a thing to have voted for

It appears to me that it is not bitter or living in the past to point out the problems that we are facing now because of a) Brexit and b) the fact that Brexit seems to be the reason given for being lumbered with a PM who is considered widely, and by many of his own it would seem, to not be up to the job at a time when we so very much need a strong, capable, trustworthy leader.

It is very concerning JaneJudge, I watched Panorama the other night where they were discussing staff shortages in the food chain as well, and the impact that will have on supply and food prices for the consumer.

I wish we could see how the care staff shortages will be resolved, but it’s clear this is becoming a long term problem. The new Care act will make it worse because it financially incentivises people to be cared for at home, but there is no care available. Hospitals will be backlogged very quickly when that happens. Before long we will be back to women being expected to give up their jobs to care for family because there will be no alternative.

why were they so upset about people from EU taking our jobs? It is all complete and utter rubbish

Your bubble mustn’t t have been impacted then JaneJudge. Try working in Salford on an industrial estate or construction site in Central Manchester being part of the contractors building the new Central Manchester university Hospital after Blair opened the floodgates. Poles & Romanians standing on corners at 6am waiting for white van pick ups ferrying men to building sites.

The university site could not be breached. Union stronghold held firm. But umpteen small sites were a different matter. ‘Give us a job’ was rife. Undercutting local contractors. I know for sure of what I speak. It’s not all about picking fruit you know.

It appears to me that it is not bitter or living in the past to point out the problems that we are facing now because of a) Brexit and b) the fact that Brexit seems to be the reason given for being lumbered with a PM who is considered widely, and by many of his own it would seem, to not be up to the job at a time when we could very much use a strong, capable, trustworthy leader.

Brexit along with Covid are the defining issues of this point in all our lives. I think that's why people raise them again and again.

''Johnson wasn’t the one doing the negotiations for the UK with EU counterparts ( although I realise that many on GN think it’s him doing everything). ''

Johnson had a very strong hand in it- but no, you are right, it was mainly terribly done by AN UN-ELECTED EMPLOYEE, CIVIL 'SERVANT' - the very kind Brexiters said they hated at the Head of the EU. Oh the tragic irony.

And one, who, as many criticised Mrs May, who was a staunch EU supporter, and who said during the campaign, when he was head of the Whisky Distillers association, would be an absolute disaster for his members, and every single business in the land- and that it was absolutely essential we remained in the Single Market!!! Someone who knew the true value of the EU and the Single Market - but sold his soul and principle to the Devil for a pound and more, of flesh.

Sorry another sad glitch.

Anyway, Brexit, Schemexit ... it’s done. A work in progress anyway. Thank god for Lord Frost going forward.

However, this thread is about Boris.
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And whether or not we feel he is a liability. Hmm.

I work in a 'factory' as a skilled crafts employee for a family run firm who produce British designed and manufactured products. Is that helpful enough. Or do I deserve further insults? I am the only woman on my floor fwiw.

another sad glitch

Frost, not yet a lord, was serving as head of the Scotch Whisky Association in 2016 when he made some comments about Brexit we bet he wants everyone to forget.

Speaking to euronews, he said: “*About 40% of what we export goes to Europe. If we leave the European Union then we are going to see administrative barriers brought up. If there is a Brexit we will lose access to the European Union Free Trade Agreements, that is clear.*

“If the UK then will need to renegotiate its own agreements, clearly that is going to take time. Our interest is to be part of the biggest possible market with the fewest possible barriers.

And here comes the punchline: “*The European single market gives us that. The European free trade agreements gives us that. Why would we want to depart from that?*”

As for my bubble not being impacted when I cannot get carers for my daughter because of something I never voted for
wtf there must be some major empathy bypass going on here

lemongrove

Aren’t you brave enough to type the words you are calling fellow GNers Jane? Obviously not.
Because they don’t agree with you..... sad.

Probably not because they don't agree with you- but because it is affecting them and theirs, their communities, businesses, jobs, freedoms, and so much more, day in, day out.

JaneJudge

As for my bubble not being impacted when I cannot get carers for my daughter because of something I never voted for
wtf there must be some major empathy bypass going on here

Yes, like you Jane, so many families with special needs children or adults, and all the elderly (you know, our lot! and our very elderly parents) who face a grim future without support and carers. Are they not allowed to 'disagree' with you that this is NOT a good outcome, and that IT IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO BREXIT.

I am so sorry Jane, hope you find a solution soon hugs

Look JaneJudge, your life experiences are obviously on the opposite end of the spectrum to mine. Which, I suppose, illustrates the reason why we both voted differently in the referendum. Both our reasons are valid because of our circumstances. I’m genuinely sorry for your difficulties. If it helps you (mentally) our votes cancelled each other out anyway.

We shall just have to agree to disagree.
Never the twain shall meet.

And I am afraid, because of the disastrous effects on the country and a vast proportion of the people, we shall never do this.

This is not just about 'a difference of opinion- it goes far, far, beyond this

And we have every democratic right to try and make sure Johnson, and the Tories, are not re-elected- which is what this thread is about (as some have reminded us before). Absolutely EVERY RIGHT.

Indeed Kali2 the next GE will indeed be very interesting.
As I say, time will tell.
However unfortunately for some, I believe Boris will win out.

Then again, I thought Trump would be re-elected last November so what do I know?
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I think it’s pointless Urmstongran as some would bring a baking thread round to Brexit, it’s all they wish to talk about.

Over 5 million EU citizens applied to stay here, which was a surprise as it was thought there were only about 3 and a half million here in the first place.When Covid hit, many of those not applying chose to go home to their families (understandably) possibly more Eastern Europeans, as they were working in the care sector.Nothing to be done about that in the short term.In the long term it needs to be made much more attractive as a job and a lot of training needs to take place.
By the by, I have never seen any comments on GN saying that foreigners are ‘taking our jobs’.

Kali2

And we have every democratic right to try and make sure Johnson, and the Tories, are not re-elected- which is what this thread is about (as some have reminded us before). Absolutely EVERY RIGHT.

If you are eligible to vote in the UK then you have the same right as I do ( or anyone else who can vote here.)

The fact you want this appalling excuse of a man, who has proven to be such a liar and a liability in so so many ways - is just so unbelievable- and is of huge concern.

Because why would anyone wish to support such a liar and liability, who has caused so much pain and distress to so many, and 1000s of deaths too.

As said, it is no longer about 'a difference of opinion' it is about the destruction of our Parliamentary Democracy, Human Rights, the independence of the Judiciary, about kicking off the terrible Troubles, about the very reputation and trust re the UK, about the destruction of the NHS (and we have a really painful reminder on GN right now- just so so wrong)- and everthing the UK was so great, so much better, than most.

And if you voted for it- you will be asked to carry the can, and take responsibility for the consequences.

Me neither.
The only people I've seen that from is people who say they "overheard" someone saying it.
Presumably said by someone in a string vest with a union jack tattoo on his meaty bicep.

?MissA

Among his many other talents, Boris has proved to be the best ever recruiter for Scottish Independence. Latest poll for ITV has support for Independence at 55% 45% against. I believe that the huge swing in favour has resulted from canny Scots realising that they have a way out of the mess that the Conservative Government has created for the whole UK.

However unfortunately for some, I believe Boris will win out.

You say 'unfortunate for some' Urmstongran but I really wonder who will fortunate and benefit if the Conservatives win the next election with Boris at the helm?

Will Boris be a liability to us if he serves another term? As an ordinary person on a pension who uses the NHS and other state services, I fully expect to be worse off and to continue to feel like I'm having the mickey taken out of me by such things as holiday 'gifts' from rich people who want titles and the Downing Street Party for dozens of staff whilst ordinary folk received Covid fines for having a sandwich in a park.

He also has a vast knowledge of Peppa Pig.