The leader has become a liability

The UK still is great Kali or so think many of us who live here.
Which is why so many migrants make for our shores.

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Hear, hear lemongrove ??

Well good for you Dickens but actually the OP isn’t about Brexit it’s about Johnson and wondering how popular he still is, but some posters can turn any thread on any subject back to Brexit and tediously do ( on a regular basis.)

lemongrove

Well good for you Dickens but actually the OP isn’t about Brexit it’s about Johnson and wondering how popular he still is, but some posters can turn any thread on any subject back to Brexit and tediously do ( on a regular basis.)

No lemongrove, you can't avoid Brexit if we are discussing the performance of Johnson. Many on GN have admitted the chief reason they voted Tory/Johnson was because he was the only one who promised to "get Brexit done".

I tried to turn it back to Johnson a while ago lemongrove, I specifically asked you if you thought Johnson would survive as leader until the next election, but no answer from you as yet?

lemongrove

Well good for you Dickens but actually the OP isn’t about Brexit it’s about Johnson and wondering how popular he still is, but some posters can turn any thread on any subject back to Brexit and tediously do ( on a regular basis.)

Talking about Boris Johnson and omitting Brexit is like eating a cheese sandwich without the cheese - I think he wants to go down in history as the PM who took the UK out of the EU. He and Brexit are forever intertwined.

... and the original poster didn't specify that we couldn't talk about Brexit...

PS lemongrove

It might be an idea to ask GN for a "No Brexit Zone" - there's already a No Corona Zone!

Casdon

I tried to turn it back to Johnson a while ago lemongrove, I specifically asked you if you thought Johnson would survive as leader until the next election, but no answer from you as yet?

Did you...I hadn’t noticed.Just as you didn’t notice my post on the first page about Johnson.
Who knows? Remember the saying ‘ a week is a long time in politics’?
He will be popular until he isn’t.The Conservatives can just axe a leader ( if there is enough support for it) they don’t need all the messing about that the LP do ( who find it all but impossible to ditch a dummy).
The next year is the telling one, and to use yet another political quote ‘ events dear boy, events!’

Dickens

PS lemongrove

It might be an idea to ask GN for a "No Brexit Zone" - there's already a No Corona Zone!

Tempting....
I have no problems with anyone bringing present Brexit news into a discussion ( if relevant) but there are posters still stuck in 2016 unfortunately.

lemongrove I had noticed your post on page 1 where you said you thought he’d be there ‘for a while yet’, but that could be any length of time between three months and 10 years. The important issue though is whether he will be the leader at the next election. So, if I read what you’ve just said correctly, you’re still hedging your bets which in the circumstances is understandable.

Of course it’s understandable!
There isn’t anyone who can say that any leader will still be there at the next GE.
Keir Starmer may not be there either....
Things in politics move quickly as the events do.
I think he will be there for the next year, and he has made it clear to friends and colleagues that he intends to fight the next GE, but there is no certainty all round.

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Tories retain Bexley, but with a hugely reduced majority.

The result reflects the latest polls.

lemongrove

I've asked for the last two of my posts to be deleted.

It was not my intention to make this all about Brexit - but in defending the 'right' to discuss the issue - did just that.

My other posts - which also mention Brexit - I haven't asked to be deleted because the references to Brexit related to Johnson's popularity rating which I believe are entirely in keeping with the OP.

But I don't want to derail the thread and make it about Brexit.

Whitewavemark2

Tories retain Bexley, but with a hugely reduced majority.

The result reflects the latest polls.

... a low turnout apparently - 34%. Why are so many so apathetic!

It was a hugely reduced majority - but still a comfortable lead.

Apparently 'sleaze' was the kicker - and Johnson's competence in dealing with it - mentioned by those interviewed towards the end of the campaign.

I think Johnson is safe for now - but the pressure is building.

Next up is North Shropshire... the seat vacated by Owen Paterson. That should be interesting.

Southend will not be contested by Labour or the Lib Dems out of respect for the late David Amess.

The result marked an atrocious evening for the Liberal Democrats. Polling just 3% of the vote, the Party lost their £500 deposit coming fifth behind Reform UK and the Green Party.

The end of the Liberal Democrats and the Greens ?

The Reform Party Richard Tice came third with more votes than the Lib Dems and Greens combined.

I think that the sleaze issue has been a factor. Tory vote dropped by 13% and Labour vote rose by 7% in a strong Tory constituency, but I do think that reflects tactical voting as we can see from the Lib Dem vote. People are voting tactically, and I think that they will continue to vote “anyone but Tory” even if it means holding their noses.

Dickens

lemongrove

I've asked for the last two of my posts to be deleted.

It was not my intention to make this all about Brexit - but in defending the 'right' to discuss the issue - did just that.

My other posts - which also mention Brexit - I haven't asked to be deleted because the references to Brexit related to Johnson's popularity rating which I believe are entirely in keeping with the OP.

But I don't want to derail the thread and make it about Brexit.

I'm sorry you've done that, Dickens. Threads wander all over the place and you really shouldn't let anyone dictate what you can, or cannot, post.

Particularly when posters are trying to silence you on an embarrassing topic ?

I’m quite happy to make it about Brexit?

Reason to be cheerful???

Hartfield (Wealden) by-election result:

GRN: 55.8% (+12.7)
CON: 44.2% (-12.7)

Green GAIN from Conservative.

It was a very low turnout at Old Bexley &
Sidcup.
Conservative candidate still managed 52% of the overall vote, reduced from the general election but still a win.

The Tories stayed at home.

Whitewavemark2

The Tories stayed at home.

However you dress it up Whitewavemark2 the Conservatives got 52% of the votes, which means more Conservatives went out and voted…

GrannyGravy13

It was a very low turnout at Old Bexley &
Sidcup.
Conservative candidate still managed 52% of the overall vote, reduced from the general election but still a win.

I don't think anyone expected anything else but a tory win.

But the low turnout is disturbing.