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Politics: a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

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Whitewavemark2 Sat 11-Dec-21 08:04:37

Austria is introducing compulsory vaccinations in February. Other countries are giving the idea serious thought, and even Johnson recognises that we need “a national conversation” over the way forward.

The issue is that most people now entering hospital with severe covid are unvaccinated.

Rich countries examples of fully vaccinated are

USA 60%
U.K. 69%
Germany 69%

But
African continent 7%,
Every person not immune from this virus is essentially a viral factory, producing mutations.

But despite governments efforts there is still numbers of the population who are resisting the jab. So now we find that Germany, New York and a number of others are actively seeking to introduce compulsory vaccinations in order to break out if the cycle of wave after wave of sickness and lockdowns.

Argument then is this

Personal liberty v the greater good.

Biden argues that it has nothing to do with “freedom” but about protecting yourself, your lived ones and your community.

Others argue it is about government overreach.

Javid argues that it is unethical.

However it is worth remembering that this is not new - smallpox vaccine was compulsory in 19 century Europe and nhs staff have to get a vaccine.

A vaccine mandate will save lives. WHO argue that mandates should only been used when all other routes have been explored.

Clearly some countries are beginning to think that they have reached this point. In Germany 72% of people are in favour of mandating vaccination.

I think that this will be a major debate in the coming year, particularly if. Omicron and it’s cousins prove very difficult to control.

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nanna8 Sat 11-Dec-21 13:06:53

Probably you could get 90 % as some countries have. They won’t let you go into any shops other than food shops here if you are not vaccinated and no restaurants, cafes, pubs either. Amazing how quickly people rush to get vaccinated.

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Smileless2012 Sat 11-Dec-21 13:50:01

I didn't say Alegrias did start this thread JaneJudge. I responded to her single word response to a post of mine that she quoted; "And?".

I posted what was said on BBC breakfast Pammiel. I have taken nothing out of context to suit my opinion. In fact, with regard to compulsory vaccination, I posted on page 1 of this thread that I didn't know because I don't have an opinion either way.

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AGAA4 Sat 11-Dec-21 14:41:24

Accessibility is an issue for some people who are willing to be vaccinated but for reasons of disability can't
get to a centre. I know of one at least who has been waiting for a nurse visit and as they are run off their feet has not had one.
There are others who have mental health problems and are terrified of jabs.
I don't believe it should be made mandatory. Make it more available to all those who want the vaccine but for various reasons are not having it.

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rosie1959 Sat 11-Dec-21 14:49:18

Just flicked through the news with all its doom and gloom you would think nobody had been vacinnated.

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Pammie1 Sat 11-Dec-21 15:07:40

AGAA4

Accessibility is an issue for some people who are willing to be vaccinated but for reasons of disability can't
get to a centre. I know of one at least who has been waiting for a nurse visit and as they are run off their feet has not had one.
There are others who have mental health problems and are terrified of jabs.
I don't believe it should be made mandatory. Make it more available to all those who want the vaccine but for various reasons are not having it.

Myself and my partner are wheelchair users and we were expected to get my mum who is 91 and has dementia, to a vaccination centre unaided. District nurse services were unwilling to help as our GP wouldn’t classify us as housebound so not eligible for help. At one point when I asked for help I was told that there were people who were ‘genuinely housebound’ and made to feel guilty for even asking. It was extremely difficult and the staff at the vaccination centre were wonderfully helpful, but all agreed we should have had home services. It’s not just Covid, it’s difficult getting her to the surgery for routine appointments, flu jabs and blood tests and no-one seems willing or able to help. I suppose eventually it will have to be a formal complaint before anyone will listen,

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MerylStreep Sat 11-Dec-21 15:16:39

If your a glass half empty person you would look at the words
Likely
If
Possible
Could
In a negative way. I’m a glass full person so I look at those words in a positive way.

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