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Identity cards and/or covid passports

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Dinahmo Sat 11-Dec-21 12:00:10

Rather than deflect from the conversation about the unvaccinated I'm starting a new thread about whether ID cards should be introduced.

Living in France we are required to have a carte de sejour to prove that we are entitled to residence here. They are a form of ID and for that reason I don't like them, but we live here and have to abide by the rules. We've never been asked to show them. It's not a problem for us but being middle aged/elderly we are unlikely to be asked to show them.

If we were living in the UK I would be opposed to them. We lived in Brixton at the height of the riots and were shocked at the frequency of stop and search requests used by the police against the local young male West Indian population.

Over the years, whenever this has been mentioned, many people will say "if you've done nothing wrong then you've nothing to fear" and these were often people who thought that the police could do no wrong.

It has become more obvious recently that there are "bad eggs" amongst the police and that there have been substantial cover ups. I fear that the compulsory use of ID cards would lead to more abuses.

There are several reports of abuses, for example the black bishop who was stopped because he was a driving an expensive car and it was therefore assumed that he was a drug dealer.

This is not an attack upon the police since I am sure that the majority enter the service for the right reasons but I'm equally sure that some join for the wrong reasons.

Turning to covid passports I don't consider that they are ID cards as such. When we have our jab we are given a printout and we can also download the details on to our phones. When we go to a venue we are required to show them. The first time we did this was back in August for a concert in a church, so we were seated close to other people. However, we felt secure because everybody was vaccinated.

Talking about this to a French friend who, whilst he is vaccinated, does not like the covid passports. I'm not sure that I understood all his reasons - one being China. I suppose that is because our phones are often Chinese but quite what the Chinese govt would do with this info I have no idea.

So, to sum up I'm in favour of covid passports but definitely not in favour of ID cards

25Avalon Sat 11-Dec-21 13:59:08

Where does the NHS App leave me? I received text notification to book my booster, was given a booking number and off I went. I have now, however, received another NHS text saying I have not had my booster and need to book it from the attached link ?‍♀️

Dinahmo Sat 11-Dec-21 13:59:18

Also agree with Rees Mogg in this instance. What a shock!

Alegrias1 Sat 11-Dec-21 13:59:41

welbeck

but why does the introduction of i.d. cards have to be linked to requiring people to carry them, or allow police to demand to see them, without good cause, ie reasonable suspicion of criminal activity.
just because other countries have a, shew us your papers culture, doesn't mean we would have to.
why not be creative, make it work to the individual's benefit, without any loss or rights or freedoms.

Its not an id card then, is it?

Its a piece of photographic id that you can choose to have. Which is fine.

But its not an id card.

Dinahmo Sat 11-Dec-21 14:00:15

25Avalon

Where does the NHS App leave me? I received text notification to book my booster, was given a booking number and off I went. I have now, however, received another NHS text saying I have not had my booster and need to book it from the attached link ?‍♀️

The system obviously needs a re-boot or something.

Galaxy Sat 11-Dec-21 14:00:26

Yes I have had some strange political bedfellows in the last few years so to speak, I can now add JRM to the list of people I agree with. Its unsettling.

JenniferEccles Sat 11-Dec-21 14:07:37

Covid passports yes from me but I am still slightly reluctant to endorse identity cards.
As JRM said the idea that we could be stopped at any time going about our lawful business and be asked for ID doesn’t sit well with me.

Riverwalk Sat 11-Dec-21 14:08:11

25Avalon

Where does the NHS App leave me? I received text notification to book my booster, was given a booking number and off I went. I have now, however, received another NHS text saying I have not had my booster and need to book it from the attached link ?‍♀️

That's nothing to do with the introduction of ID cards confused

Biscuitmuncher Sat 11-Dec-21 14:11:50

I'm not carrying around something that proves my right to be in my own country!

25Avalon Sat 11-Dec-21 14:14:37

Well Riverwalk you wouldn’t need an ID card if you could just use the NHS App on your mobile at venues provided it’s up to date of course, would you?