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Definitely politics: catching up with Brexit

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Whitewavemark2 Sun 12-Dec-21 11:31:42

There is so much happening that is not being reported, I thought that it would do no harm to get those interested up to speed.

1. UK pays £24 for one Moderna dose. EU pays £1

UK pays £15 for one Pfizer dose. EU pays £10.60

AZ in UK is £2.17 per dose.
In EU it’s £2.15

2. ITV news reporting
Analysis shows Brexit caused £12 billion of lost trade in October

@NicholasTyrone
I see the government has very quietly folded in the fishing dispute with the French. This is Brexit in a nutshell: the UK government makes a big noise, puffs out its chest - and then reality kicks in and a complete cave in ensues. It happens over and over again.

3. Daily Express
@Daily_Express
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Dec 9
UK trade has shrunk since Brexit while EU thrives -

4. The U.K. is paying 25% tariffs on steel we export to USA. The EU - zero
No level playing field there

Jillyjosie Sun 12-Dec-21 20:34:30

WWM the comment was a bit over the top even for GN News and Politics. grin

Urmstongran Sun 12-Dec-21 21:57:04

Funny how particular the French are about having all the right paperwork in forensic order when it suits them, but ignoring it completely when it doesn't.

Dinahmo Sun 12-Dec-21 22:19:16

JenniferEccles

I can give you an answer.
We are bored stiff with these daily threads.
Can only speak for myself of course but I wouldn’t mind betting a lot of people agree with me.

Just returned - why did you read it if you knew it would be boring?

Dinahmo Sun 12-Dec-21 22:22:24

MerylStreep

Dinahmo

Over an hour has passed since Whitewave posted the above. Where are all the Brexit supporters? They're not all getting their Sunday lunch ready because I've seen at least one on another thread.

That’s a bit sad when you spend your Sunday morning following other posters around this site. ?

I read one other thread whilst enjoying my morning mug of coffee so no, I wasn't following other posters around the site. I don't know how to do that. Do I just type in someone's name and all their posts will appear? In fact one of the people I was thinking about did appear later.

Dinahmo Sun 12-Dec-21 22:25:19

HolySox

Vaccines may be cheaper in the EU but isn't there a lower take up with a higher surge of cases. How many EU countries in tighter restrictions than the UK? Aren't some EU countries making vacvinations compulsory? Is it really better in the EU?

As for the french blockading Calais that's nothing new. Used to happen when we were in the EU.

Do seem to remamber reading some recent reports of a german banker who commented that he was surprised how well the UK economy was doing after Brexit, way beyond expectations. Seemed to remember something about Shell moving their operations to London, out of the EU. Don't recall these items of news being raised by WWM for discussion on GN. Of course with politics one can always be selective on what's 'important' and blame it all on an event. But isn't that a kind of fascism? Are you a fascist WWM?

Rather than having a dig at WWM you could easily have started a thread on Shell moving to London.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 13-Dec-21 11:34:29

The threat to invoke Article 16 has been dropped I see.

They are quietly reversing so much, like the fishing threat.

GillT57 Mon 13-Dec-21 11:45:10

There is a deafening roar of 'la, la, la' on this thread, posters with fingers in their ears......for heaven's sake people, even the Brexiteer's Bible, The Daily Express is beginning to notice that not all is well in the post Brexit world.

Visgir1 Mon 13-Dec-21 11:55:35

And in Dublin the Lorry drivers are blocking the ports due fuel costs in the EU.

EllanVannin Mon 13-Dec-21 11:58:19

I wouldn't dare tell them " I told you so " grin

MaizieD Mon 13-Dec-21 11:58:30

Visgir1

And in Dublin the Lorry drivers are blocking the ports due fuel costs in the EU.

You might not have noticed, but fuel costs have increased here in the UK, too...

MaizieD Mon 13-Dec-21 12:00:01

GillT57

There is a deafening roar of 'la, la, la' on this thread, posters with fingers in their ears......for heaven's sake people, even the Brexiteer's Bible, The Daily Express is beginning to notice that not all is well in the post Brexit world.

Just wait until full customs checks on incoming goods are introduced next month grin

GillT57 Mon 13-Dec-21 12:45:00

MaizieD

GillT57

There is a deafening roar of 'la, la, la' on this thread, posters with fingers in their ears......for heaven's sake people, even the Brexiteer's Bible, The Daily Express is beginning to notice that not all is well in the post Brexit world.

Just wait until full customs checks on incoming goods are introduced next month grin

Yes indeed, but undoubtedly the press will spin it as more intransigence from the EU and many will believe them, including some on GN. There again, maybe Johnson will take this looming Brexit bonus as a good opportunity to lockdown again.

vegansrock Mon 13-Dec-21 13:35:22

I am buying new blinds for the back of my south facing kitchen/ diner. The owner of the small family firm that makes them in the U.K. from a German design told us the prices are going up by 12.5% in January. No prizes for guessing why.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 13-Dec-21 14:28:18

One thing which will give us a break is that agricultural products - food will not be subject to the correct checks until July.

Sago Mon 13-Dec-21 14:29:07

JenniferEccles Me too ??

Kali2 Mon 13-Dec-21 16:20:44

lemongrove

Was agreeing with Jennifer...not Nandalot.tchsmile
The French are not happy at all about fishing rights, so would question the above quote in any case.

I guessed so, but it was very funny ahahaha

Kali2 Mon 13-Dec-21 16:23:06

Urmstongran

Funny how particular the French are about having all the right paperwork in forensic order when it suits them, but ignoring it completely when it doesn't.

Meaning? Can you explain?

Greta Mon 13-Dec-21 17:09:36

MaizieD: Just wait until full customs checks on incoming goods are introduced next month

I get the impression that many people aren't aware of this. As a neighbour said ”but I thought Brexit had been done...”

Kali2 Mon 13-Dec-21 18:07:08

It has been said here so many times too - the last 2 main phases of checks will be 1st of Jan 2022, and then July. Ports and tunnels are NOT ready, neither are businesses and customs, excise, etc.

varian Mon 13-Dec-21 18:26:20

Greta

*MaizieD*: Just wait until full customs checks on incoming goods are introduced next month

I get the impression that many people aren't aware of this. As a neighbour said ”but I thought Brexit had been done...”

Did you ask you neighbour what newspaper she reads?

HolySox Mon 13-Dec-21 18:54:53

"
From Wikipedia " Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete ".

The UK voted for Brexit. That's democracy. The intensity of posters against Brexit ( and those who voted for Brexit) indicates this resul, in their opinion, this was unacceptable. Hence the question.

Brexit is done. It's happened. As a country we need to work out how to take advantage of our new position.

varian Mon 13-Dec-21 18:59:54

There is no advantage to our new position. We are in a very poor and subordinate position compared to our previous position as one of the largest and most influential members of the European Union.

The fraudulent referendum of 2016 has been proved to have been won by lies, cheating and foreign interference.

It would have been declared void had it not been for the fact that it was only advisory.

Kali2 Mon 13-Dec-21 19:00:29

The UK did NOT vote for brexit- fact!

And it is NOT done - fact!

And it is increasingly clear it was not at all well thought out, and that the promised 'advantages' do NOT exist, but that the disadvantages do, big time. Very simple and clear.

HolySox Mon 13-Dec-21 19:23:31

No advantages to our new situation? Absolutely none?

Brexit wasn't voted on?

WWM2 doesn't reply to purile comments. I'll follow her lead.

Bye

Alegrias1 Mon 13-Dec-21 19:36:37

No advantages to our new situation? Absolutely none?

errr....? ...no.

Where's she gone...?