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To cross the boarder or not?

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Yammy Wed 29-Dec-21 18:16:18

What will happen to the number of Covid cases in the Northern counties of England, if Scots do not respond to a request from M/S Sturgeon not to cross to England to celebrate Hogmanay?

henetha Thu 30-Dec-21 10:41:08

I haven't visited my sister in Scotland for two years now. And it looks doubtful for the forseeable future.

Yammy Thu 30-Dec-21 10:47:40

If the posters on here who can only think about my dreadful spelling and past posts to their argumentative and goading remarks, argue with each other as per usual are an example of a lot of peoples mind sets. I doubt if we will get a measured response by anyone asking for people to stay in their own areas on New Year's Eve. Pity help the NHS in any country.

Grandmajb Thu 30-Dec-21 10:52:11

The tills in England will be going kerching !!

Galaxy Thu 30-Dec-21 10:55:25

We are terrible people yammy.

Alegrias1 Thu 30-Dec-21 11:05:51

Yammy

If the posters on here who can only think about my dreadful spelling and past posts to their argumentative and goading remarks, argue with each other as per usual are an example of a lot of peoples mind sets. I doubt if we will get a measured response by anyone asking for people to stay in their own areas on New Year's Eve. Pity help the NHS in any country.

Will people stay in their own areas on Hogmanay? It doesn't matter, because there are no rules about doing that.

Will they stay away from crowded events? I hope so. That would be common sense.

Are people in England more likely to go to large parties and mix with other households? Yes, because that's allowed in England but not in Scotland.

Maybe your idea is to highlight the need to keep gatherings small and limited Yammy, but expressing it as a hope that the Scots don't come down and infect the English gives us all an insight into your thinking.

Buttercup1954 Thu 30-Dec-21 11:35:11

Many Scots cross the "border" on a daily basis. We are the UK and there should be no differences between us as I'm sure many have family all over the UK. This them and us attitude is exactly what the scottish nationalists wish to create to cause division. We are the UK.

Alegrias1 Thu 30-Dec-21 11:46:14

This them and us attitude is exactly what the scottish nationalists wish to create to cause division.

Can you blame us? The immediate assumption with the first posts was that the Scots won’t behave themselves, that the Scots and Welsh crossing the border would be endangering the poor helpless English, that they are all just doing it to get bleezin drunk and that they’ll be breaking the rules.

Swinney asked people not to go to England to celebrate in order to prevent infection being brought back to Scotland, but it seems to be that the assumption in several places was that the Scots would be bringing the nasty virus down to the English with no thought for the safety of their lovely neighbours.

Perhaps it would be nice if rUK was a bit circumspect in its attitude to the smaller nations, and didn’t make incorrect and insulting assumptions.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 30-Dec-21 11:52:06

If there was/is/could be a consensus on guidelines/rules between Westminster and the devolved First Ministers then all
could/would be hunky dory .
Unfortunately I cannot see that happening any time soon…

Heket Thu 30-Dec-21 11:56:51

I am English and fully support all the devolved nations in the quest for independence.

I wouldn’t wish this corrupt shambolic Westminster-centric government on any other country, particularly our Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish neighbours.

The dismal remnants of empire and the bigotry displayed diminish the English reputation - deservedly so.

They have no place in the 21st Century.

I support independence wholeheartedly.

Yammy Thu 30-Dec-21 12:16:25

Alegrias1

Yammy

If the posters on here who can only think about my dreadful spelling and past posts to their argumentative and goading remarks, argue with each other as per usual are an example of a lot of peoples mind sets. I doubt if we will get a measured response by anyone asking for people to stay in their own areas on New Year's Eve. Pity help the NHS in any country.

Will people stay in their own areas on Hogmanay? It doesn't matter, because there are no rules about doing that.

Will they stay away from crowded events? I hope so. That would be common sense.

Are people in England more likely to go to large parties and mix with other households? Yes, because that's allowed in England but not in Scotland.

Maybe your idea is to highlight the need to keep gatherings small and limited Yammy, but expressing it as a hope that the Scots don't come down and infect the English gives us all an insight into your thinking.

I have stated many times I have Scots relations and DNA, I empathise with them and hope they get independence soon.
I put the post on after listening to M/S Sturgeon asking people not to cross over to easier restrictions and the head of Cumbria NHS saying how the numbers were rising and everyone to be sensible. I hadn't heard Mark Drayford say anything.
Not to goad you or any other poster. Though you do goad each other and really you are assuming what is in my mind.
To have a poem quoted at me as being an old hag well red rag to a person decendended from a lot of Reiver families.

A Happy and Healthy New year to everyone.

TopsyIrene06 Thu 30-Dec-21 12:29:11

If I cross my Border (terrier) there will be hell to pay.

Happy New Year.

LauraNorderr Thu 30-Dec-21 12:31:28

I would never cross a boarder, they might not pay the bill.

Not being critical of an easy mistake to make. I just can’t ever resist a little joke. Sorry.

Mollygo Thu 30-Dec-21 12:36:53

I fully support independence. What a relief it would be.

GreenGran78 Thu 30-Dec-21 12:48:09

I know that there is a new variant, and I know that it's very infectious. However, I also know that not many people are being admitted to hospital with it, and the Omnicrom variant seems a lot less lethal than the previous ones.
The average death rate in my area, from all causes, is around the same as it was pre-Covid., and the total number of deaths from Covid is minuscule when compared with the total population.
I think that we need to get things more into perspective. We never used to even think about how many people caught 'flu each year, or how many died from it. I'm not saying that we should disregard taking precautions. Just that we should look at the overall picture. Those who are triple vaccinated are pretty safe. By all means avoid crowded places if you feel the need, as I am doing, but I think that there is far too much panicking going on.
Does anyone else agree, or shall I put on my tin hat and get behind the sofa? ?

GrauntyHelen Thu 30-Dec-21 12:56:51

I don't see hordes leaving Scotland on Hogmanay for an English New Year's Eve

Mummer Thu 30-Dec-21 13:13:36

From my experience (Scots mum) they've not got visiting England anywhere near the top of their agenda! Trust me they'll find a way and be just fine on Hogmanay!

Mummer Thu 30-Dec-21 13:16:42

Mollygo

I fully support independence. What a relief it would be.

??? You sound like a right.....daily.mail reader! And that's as Insulting as I'm probably allowed to be on here without getting black balled! Get real dear they're not hoardes of invading savages!

Mollygo Thu 30-Dec-21 13:28:29

Don’t know what you’re talking about Mummer.
Scotland and Wales have expressed a desire for independence. If they got it, would they not be relieved?
I’m concerned that you even mention them as hoards of invading savages, unless that’s how you see them. Not my view.

Elegran Thu 30-Dec-21 13:33:47

Some Scots voted for independence. Not all.
Some people throughout the UK voted for Brexit. Not all.
Some people voted for the Conservative party. Not all.
Some people never vote for anything at all. Just as well that isn't everyone.

Alegrias1 Thu 30-Dec-21 13:38:42

Are we hoarding North of the boarder?

Mollygo Thu 30-Dec-21 13:40:42

Alegrias1

Are we hoarding North of the boarder?

Oops glad to give you an opportunity to point out my defective autocorrect Alegrias1 .

Elegran Thu 30-Dec-21 13:45:57

Uncontrolled crowds swarming over the countryside in search of trouble are hordes.

A hoard is a hidden collection of supplies or treasure, amassed and secreted away to be available in times of hardship, when food or valuables are in short supply. It doesn't go marauding. It is more in danger from the marauding hordes who will find it and carry it off.

I am sorry if I upset anyone by correcting this Malapropism. I have ignored it up until now, but it alters the whole meaning of so many posts that I can't neglect it any longer. It is not a typo or a spelling mistake, it is a completely different word, with its own different meaning.

Elegran Thu 30-Dec-21 13:48:09

Crossed posts, Alegrias
I agree with the convention that we don't draw attention to posters' spelling mistakes and mistypes, but when the meaning is affected, I think we should point it out.

Alioop Thu 30-Dec-21 13:50:58

It won't matter to some where in the country they are, if they want to celebrate they will find a way to do it and to hell with the rules. I'm sure here in N.Ireland there will be plenty of house parties planned, but for me, I will be bringing in the New Year with just my dog and a Bailey's.

ExDancer Thu 30-Dec-21 13:51:28

As a Northerner I was looking at the situation as a two-way swop. The Scots bringing their germs with them, and also taking our germs back home with them to Scotland. Our pubs and clubs will be open anyway - does it matter whether the Scots infect the English or visa versa?