Ghislaine Maxwell Found Guilty

Germanshepherdsmum

What a load of tosh Summerlove.

Well of course you’d think so.

I am always astounded that it is feminists who are classed as 'men haters' I wouldnt think that any normal man would think it ok to have sex with a 14 year old. I have a higher view of men than that.

GSM I have to say you are brave to put your head above the parapet and state your beliefs. I do not condone for one moment what Epstein and Maxwell did in seeking out and grooming young girls, however I agree that there are girls who are sexually active by choice at a relatively young age , and to deny their sexuality is almost Victorian .

If an underage girl is actively seeking sexual partners (for whatever reason) then sooner or later someone will have sex with her. With make-up etc. she may look much older and a young man of 18-20 will not be asking for her birth certificate unless his parents have taught him well. It's the way of the world and has always been so.
This is not to say Epstein's victims were like this, just that there are girls like this.

I thought it was quite commonly known that some girls and boys end up looking for "love" in all the wrong places.
It's up to the adults amongst us to do the right thing by them.

Atqui

GSM I have to say you are brave to put your head above the parapet and state your beliefs. I do not condone for one moment what Epstein and Maxwell did in seeking out and grooming young girls, however I agree that there are girls who are sexually active by choice at a relatively young age , and to deny their sexuality is almost Victorian .

It isn't denying anyone's sexuality to tell them that having full sex at the age of 15 may not be appropriate. It's simply protecting them. If they want to experiment there are lots of things they can do without breaking the law. Decent sex education should help them with that

I think her accent and the fact she was a woman somehow lured these girls into a false sense of security. She legitimised him. Without her, they may well have made a different decision.

It always breaks my heart seeing women victim blame other women but victim blaming children who cannot legally consent in comment after comment is just horrendous. .

At least just stop. You've said your bit, does being "right" matter that much to you that you are willing to cause this level of upset and offense?

Thank you Coastpath. I’m not a bad person I hope but I feel no compassion for those two. They were thoroughly nasty and one once physically assaulted me in the street for no reason whatsoever other than that she thought I was ‘stuck up’ (i.e. had my own friends, went to grammar school and didn’t behave like her). Anyone with any sense gave them a very wide berth. They made their own choices for no apparent reason - they weren’t products of broken homes - and probably ended up with several children living in council housing and claiming benefits, setting thoroughly bad examples to their children, rather like Chestnut’s example. Having a baby used to be a way of getting housed by the local authority - I have no idea if that still applies as I’m speaking of fifty years ago.

I agree wholeheartedly with violetsky

can a child give consent to a surgical procedure; if not, why not.
examine the concept of informed consent.

MissAdventure

I agree wholeheartedly with violetsky

As do I.

Upset and offense (sic) VS? We are all grown ups I believe? Perhaps you should stop reading this thread if you are upset and offended by it.

Of course there are girls who are sexually active at a young age. That does not mean that they are not protected in law, however. The age of consent still applies, and a man having sex with them is breaking the law.

If that 'man' is a couple of years older than the girl, it is understandable - it's what Nature is telling them to do - but if the man is old enough to have teenage daughters of his own (hypothetically, of course), he is culpable, and the situation changes from one of adolescent experimentation to one of exploitation.

If the man is wealthy and glamorous and the girl is poor, the situation becomes even more exploitative. If the girl is told that by giving massages to the man and his equally exploitative mates she will earn money to pay for an education she would otherwise go without, and these massages gradually go further she is being pimped, and if she then gets caught up in a world with people she believes are her friends, she is being cruelly deceived.

At no stage is the child culpable.

As for men who have sex with 'scrubbers' - how is what they are doing any different from what the girls are doing. If it is all consensual, and there is no deceit involved then presumably they just all enjoy sex. It's true that I wouldn't like to think my daughter would be indiscriminate in her partners (it is usually a sign of low self-esteem), but I would never use a word like 'scrubber'. Horrible.

MissAdventure

I agree wholeheartedly with violetsky

Me too

i used to work in kings cross, which was is a centre for women who sell themselves for sex.
none of them looked like they did it because they enjoyed sex.
most of them looked like they were far beyond being able to enjoy anything.
they were desperate for drugs.

This thread makes a mockery of the notion that any of those women could ever accuse a man of rape and expect an unbiased, fair trial, wellbeck.

MissAdventure

This thread makes a mockery of the notion that any of those women could ever accuse a man of rape and expect an unbiased, fair trial, wellbeck.

Exactly. It wouldn't even surprise me if some of those on here didn't think it was possible for a sex worker to be raped.

MissAdventure

This thread makes a mockery of the notion that any of those women could ever accuse a man of rape and expect an unbiased, fair trial, wellbeck.

Might as well ask what a rape victim was wearing and why they were where they were.

It’s disgusting

VioletSky

It always breaks my heart seeing women victim blame other women but victim blaming children who cannot legally consent in comment after comment is just horrendous. .

At least just stop. You've said your bit, does being "right" matter that much to you that you are willing to cause this level of upset and offense?

I agree, Violetsky
I wish I'd never started the thread but I was just reporting the news.

Doodledog good post.

Calistermon don't feel bad. You couldn't have known this woul happen, I wasn't expecting it at all

It was breaking news, VioletSky so someone would have started it anyway.
I was just shocked at some of the posts.

Calistemon, don’t regret the OP, I’m sure most of us regret the way some posters have commented.

I accept threads meander but what an unusual thing to do. To introduce the story of two sexually active ‘promiscuous’ girls, one of whom physically attacked GSM. ‘Scrubbers’ - it was 50 years ago. Is it the most powerful argument to shore up your disdain towards the victims of Epstein and Maxwell?
Maxwell had a long trial. Her not guilty plea meant evidence was considered by the Jury. The defence tried to blame the victims. It failed

I did wonder if the jury might have been "persuaded" to find her not guilty, Iam64 ie nobbled by some very powerful, wealthy people.
They obviously had more integrity.