Ghislaine Maxwell Found Guilty

Perhaps some very powerful people wanted her locked up, she can’t write or say anything they wouldn’t want the world to know . Anyone visiting her would be checked over for any
recording device, the written word could be destroyed.

There was a foundation (mostly disbanded now) called The False Memory Syndrome foundation set up by a husband and wife after the daughter accused her father of sexual abuse. It became very prominent for a while and raised a lot of money and quite a following.

They never acheived their goal of getting false memory syndrome or FMS into the DSM, which meant it was never recognised by doctors but they acheived so much clout they even had influence over court cases etc where perpetrators were then found innocent.

This was just a huband and wife whose daughter said she would not go to the police. It is terrifying what can be achieved with money and power.

I don't see anyone here 'victim blaming' just pointing out that women are not always victims. I know of one woman who likes to portray herself as a victim but certainly is not. She's a sociopath and compulsive liar, and there is absolutely no doubt that the men she has been involved with are the victims. Some posters seem to think that women are always the 'victims' of men, I can only wonder what makes them think like that. They should realise there are many different types of people in the world and not all females are innocent victims. Obviously older men abusing young girls is a different matter. And prostitutes is another matter again. Why are posters suggesting that other posters think a prostitute cannot be raped? Some real nonsense being assumed here and this thread has gone completely bonkers.

Calistemon

Doodledog good post.

I'll second that. Some comments have been hysterical to say the least.

I mean hysterical in an emotional sense, not a funny sense!

Anniebach Despite her involvement with Epstein I doubt if any 'powerful' people want Ghislaine Maxwell shut up. The police have all Epstein's papers including his 'little black book' and know everything they need to know.

It has been suggested that the plea bargaining that usually takes place after cases like this, and before sentencing, is proving difficult because Ghislaine Maxwell has no information to offer on her side that the police do not already know.

MOnica yes the police know all, no powerful people have been prosecuted

I expect the plea bargaining is an attempt to force Maxwell to testify against prominent people; she is not being sentenced for six months. I doubt if they have any hard evidence to prove anything other than they were 'friends' of Epstein; their names and contact details , including Blair, Mandelson. Prince Andrew, Gates, Trump and Clinton, to name but a few, appeared in his little black books.
To me, the source of his vast fortune which no-one seems to know how he acquired, is of more interest. They had Epstein in custody and treated him unbelievably leniently; no doubt pressure was brought to bear, and Maxwell is paying the price.

I haven’t read a list of names in the little black books ,

Anniebach Knowing and socialising with Geoffrey Epsten, does not mean automatically mean that you had sex with underage girls. A man like Epstein has a very large contact list of men and women, many business contacts, would never have been invited to any of his party houses and the women there did not just include under age girls. Many were over the age of consent.

You can only prosecute where you have evidence that a crime took place.

easybee I understood that it was Ghislaine maxwell seeking the plea bargain and he authorities uninterested because they have all the information they need fro Epstein's papers.

As I have said above, Epstein would have had a huge contact list, the majority of whom never socialised with him outside business. You cannot assume every man who ever had any contact with Epstein went to his parties and had sex with underage girls.

True MOnica with the exception of Andrew I think it will all
go quiet now.

Obviously older men abusing young girls is a different matter.

That is the subject matter here.
Not just men - women as abusers too as in the case we're discussing.

MOnica, I don't believe I made the assumption in my post that the names appearing in Epstein's books indicated these men were having sex with girls, underage or otherwise, at his houses.

However, his financial contacts and dealings should be of great interest.

Chestnut

I don't see anyone here 'victim blaming' just pointing out that women are not always victims. I know of one woman who likes to portray herself as a victim but certainly is not. She's a sociopath and compulsive liar, and there is absolutely no doubt that the men she has been involved with are the victims. Some posters seem to think that women are always the 'victims' of men, I can only wonder what makes them think like that. They should realise there are many different types of people in the world and not all females are innocent victims. Obviously older men abusing young girls is a different matter. And prostitutes is another matter again. Why are posters suggesting that other posters think a prostitute cannot be raped? Some real nonsense being assumed here and this thread has gone completely bonkers.

No-one is 'assuming' anything of the sort. And there has most definitely been victim blaming going on on here. No-one is remotely suggesting that women are always the victims - it would be naive in the extreme to suggest otherwise.

Definite victim blaming be some on this thread. It’s also daft to assume that those of us who recognise a 14 year old seduced into child sexual exploitation is indeed a victim, also believe women are always victims.

I think perhaps there is not enough understanding of what victim blaming is and the replies explaining need to be read again.

It is definitely happening on this thread

Victim blaming = the victim is being blamed for the crime and not the perpetrator: pretty simple to understand I would have thought.

lavendermine

Victim blaming = the victim is being blamed for the crime and not the perpetrator: pretty simple to understand I would have thought.

You’d think.
Apparently not.

Girls being blamed for returning to bad situations is just one way it’s being done

The girls enticed by Ghislaine Maxwell were enticed by offers of college fees being paid, job opportunities, introduction to film producers. Most of these girls were young, poor, did not come from loving secure families, they could not see these enticements for being as worthless as they were, they submitted because they saw on offer an opportunity of escape to a better life.

The girls in Rotheram were, beaten, threatened, drugged.

One group used carrots, the other offered sticks, but enticed they all were and once caught, found they were trapped.

yes, it's how abuse works

VioletSky

I think perhaps there is not enough understanding of what victim blaming is and the replies explaining need to be read again.

It is definitely happening on this thread

Can you state a post where anyone has blamed a victim i.e. a young teen who has been trapped by Epstein and Maxwell or abused in any other way? People have simply pointed out that females are not always victims which some posters seem to think they are. Someone even said that posters on this thread wouldn't give a victim a fair trial which is speculative nonsense.

Chestnut I hope this doesn't sound rude but, I've no desire to read it all again so I can highlight what you have missed. You are welcome to read back through again

They have been deleted for exactly that reason I guess chestnut. I did think they would be. GN is an offshoot of MN a parenting website, they tend to be quite picky about stuff like excusing adults who have sex with children. And they take a particular stand on any victim blaming whatever the age.

I meant to say a while ago when VS talked about offense that it wouldnt be Violets or anyone elses offense that was the issue but rather the stance of the website you are on that mattered. (Sorry violet I am not making light of your feelings at all I was just pointing out that the websites policy on this has always been very very clear)

Galaxy

I meant to say a while ago when VS talked about offense that it wouldnt be Violets or anyone elses offense that was the issue but rather the stance of the website you are on that mattered. (Sorry violet I am not making light of your feelings at all I was just pointing out that the websites policy on this has always been very very clear)

None taken, I'm glad to hear they have been deleted