Ghislaine Maxwell Found Guilty

Wealthy women can be as abused as poor women. When a girl from a poor home suffers sexual abuse and then grows up to be complicit in abusing others, everybody understands.

These things do not change when the parents are rich. I have often wondered why Ghislaine Maxwell has never married, but I have a friend who had a father with a bigger than average personality (but actually a really nice and decent man) and she absolutely adored him. She too has never married, having spent her childhood in thrall to this loving and good father, who died when she was in her 20s, no other man she has met has ever matched up to him.

Unfortunately, for Ghislaine, the monster that was Philip Epstein did live up to the monster that was Robert Maxwell and she was pre-programmed to keep him happy to keep his 'love' for her.

However, I will keep saying, no understanding of what brought her to her present situation, justifies what she did.

GrannyGravy13

I hope she names the men involved…

Me too but I doubt that she will.

This link takes you to a long article on Ghislaine Maxwell, I didn't realise quite how dreadful her childhood was, or how deep was the spell her father cast on her.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59733623

Nightsky2

GrannyGravy13

I hope she names the men involved…

Me too but I doubt that she will.

She might as part of plea bargaining.

Whitewavemark2

Nightsky2

GrannyGravy13

I hope she names the men involved…

Me too but I doubt that she will.

She might as part of plea bargaining.

Or she may decide she's safer in prison.

You keep repeating this, why? You know it is nonsense, in fact the very recent series about Margaret Duchess of Argyll disproves your theory. I agree that GM had a strange upbringing, as did all of the Maxwell children, but not every child with a domineering and bullying Father starts procuring children for their lover to abuse.

GillT57 if I thought it nonsense I wouldn’t repeat it. I agree not every child who has a strange upbringing procures teenagers, and not every child who has a strange upbringing
allows themselves to be abused teenagers.

Not convinced yet that Epstein was.

Brilliant news

Whitewavemark2

Not convinced yet that Epstein was.

No, the circumstances were odd.

"allows themselves to be abused teenagers" what an interesting turn of phrase ,are you one of those pople who believe teenage girls are "asking for it" certainly sounds that way.Whatever you personally believe and I have seen you say similar things about the Rotherham girls. its abuse ...because its illegal....children cant give consent ..there are NO child prostitutes just abused children .

paddyann54

"allows themselves to be abused teenagers" what an interesting turn of phrase ,are you one of those pople who believe teenage girls are "asking for it" certainly sounds that way.Whatever you personally believe and I have seen you say similar things about the Rotherham girls. its abuse ...because its illegal....children cant give consent ..there are NO child prostitutes just abused children .

Hear, hear. Out of fear (terror), out of a longing for affection, out of a desire to please to avoid being beaten, often children will “consent” to sexual behaviour. But it is far from an informed agreement

paddyann your accusations are lies, my criticism of the
Rotherham abuse was of the police, and those in care of the girls , please apologise

I'm with you Paddyann Children should never feel guilt or blame themselves for abuse and that sort of statement does not help.

Emotional abuse goes hand in hand with this and it is not their fault and very difficult to escape

Bradford/Rotherham/Oxford abuse cases was it was yachts and private planes instead of taxis and luxury houses rather than kebabs and vodka. Same crimes, same victims.

Yes the Rotherham victims were also beaten, drugged and threatened with the most appalling punishments ie being set alight. I haven’t read of anything like that happening to the Epstein victims.

tickingbird

^Bradford/Rotherham/Oxford abuse cases was it was yachts and private planes instead of taxis and luxury houses rather than kebabs and vodka. Same crimes, same victims.^

Yes the Rotherham victims were also beaten, drugged and threatened with the most appalling punishments ie being set alight. I haven’t read of anything like that happening to the Epstein victims.

Maybe, maybe not. The fact is that none of us know what those girls (the Epstein victims) were threatened with. Abusers like Epstein and Maxwell have many ways of keeping their victims in line.

The news this morming seemed to be saying that the verdict could be both good and bad news for Prince Andrew. He seems to have emphasised that his friendship was with Ghislaine Maxwell and the association with Epstein was incidental . However, her conviction points up that he has been friendly for over two decades with a child abuser. On the other hand, there was nothing of any consequence said during the trial concerning PA; he was merely referred to as one of many 'celebrity' names often dropped into conversation by Ghislaine Maxwell. They didn't call Veronica Giuffre as there were 'glaring inconsistencies' in her testimony. What a tangled web; PA must be feeling the heat right now.

Anniebach

Doesn’t matter what her childhood was like she was wealthy,
childhood abuse only matters if the victim is poor

I take it this is sarcasm ?

Galaxy

He sounds a dangerous man Dickens.

I don't think he was saying that he personally would rape women, but was subscribing to the notion that if men are not allowed to use prostitutes they will become rapists.

... which is a ridiculous argument. But some men will use it as justification for prostitution, and that's what I believe he was doing... you know the argument, "prostitutes save women from being raped"....

The full extent of PAs relationship is beginning to be revealed, not just with the Maxwell case but the Gufrie case as well. It’s becoming obvious he knew exactly what was going on. Wether he just acquiesced or actively participated has yet to be established but it looks pretty bad.

Maxwell obviously knows a lot of names and it would be very convenient if she disappeared, one way or the other, plea bargaining is not an option

my views will be controversial but i think some of the women bringing the claims were not so vulnerable as they claim. they enjoyed the lifestyle that mixing with Epstein and his associates gave them. i still think that some of them would not have brought a claim if it was not for money - telling their story for instance? how else can they pay for the legal fees?

You are entitled to your views but thankfully the court didn’t agree with you.

kjmpde

my views will be controversial but i think some of the women bringing the claims were not so vulnerable as they claim. they enjoyed the lifestyle that mixing with Epstein and his associates gave them. i still think that some of them would not have brought a claim if it was not for money - telling their story for instance? how else can they pay for the legal fees?

I hope you rethink this because it was painful to read

Anniebach
Doesn’t matter what her childhood was like she was wealthy,
childhood abuse only matters if the victim is poor

I take it this is sarcasm ?

Yes Lucca

VioletSky

kjmpde

my views will be controversial but i think some of the women bringing the claims were not so vulnerable as they claim. they enjoyed the lifestyle that mixing with Epstein and his associates gave them. i still think that some of them would not have brought a claim if it was not for money - telling their story for instance? how else can they pay for the legal fees?

I hope you rethink this because it was painful to read

Maybe they did, and maybe they were streetwise but and it’s a massive BUT they were underage and as such exploited. You can’t get away from that.

Violetsky, when the Prince Andrew case started coming to light, there were some on GN (not posting on this thread I notice) who suggested that some of the underage girls should be thrilled to be raped by sleep with a prince. Never underestimate the ability of some, even parents of girls, to blame the victims, accuse them of being motivated by money or fame