Emmanuel Macron intends to ‘piss off’ the unvaccinated.

Macron after asking, then telling the French people to go for vaccinations polity over the last few weeks, did swear to shock people. It seems to have worked as on the news this evening we were told that more people than normal were vaccinated today.

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Galaxy

This may be the first time in my life that I am almost grateful to have Johnson as PM instead of some other European leaders. I am sure this feeling will pass. It is never a good idea to demonise a section of society.

And have the NHS with ‘hospitals critical incident’. Staff overworked with holidays being refused and at least one pregnant worker being refused to be allowed to work part time because certain people in society refuse to be vaccinated which would in the majority of cases lessen hospitalization.

I am not too keen on Macron but, like many other countries leaders, he must be wondering how he can stop the anti-vaxxers from holding his country to ransom. If he brings such strict measures in he will be surprised how many unvaccinated will be changing their minds and getting their jabs once their travel, entertainment and leisure pursuits are denied them. Boris take note!!!

Galaxy

This may be the first time in my life that I am almost grateful to have Johnson as PM instead of some other European leaders. I am sure this feeling will pass. It is never a good idea to demonise a section of society.

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/dec/22/help-us-to-help-you-doctors-in-england-make-pleas-to-unvaccinated
80% to 90% of patients in ICU with covid in St Barts NHS Trust were not vaccinated. The result is the NHS in crisis. Although I don’t like the man, I think Macron is making the right decisions in a pandemic.

I think Macron is right to do this. Other countries, Austria I think have restrictions for people who refuse vaccination. I wish our government would do the same.

Do you think I dont know the figures? It doesnt change my concerns about what Macron is doing.

I agree juicy. If only we had the same strong leadership here, maybe we would have far fewer unvaccinated. I'm no fan of Macron but I believe he's doing the right thing. As was said upthread, if the French don't like it they should consider what their fate would be if they lived in China. I know which country I'd prefer to live in.

He’s already pissed us off! Cancelled our skiing holiday two days before we were due to go. Had already paid £330 for two cpr tests which we had to cancel. Didn’t get the money back - just a credit note! Which we’ll never use!

GOOD for him! wish our government had the balls the be a strong leader too! as most of the bed blockers in covid wards are unvaccinated who brought it on themselves and could have been prevented, putting unnecessary strain on the NHS which then impacts the rest of us waiting for routine care. They should make them sign a waiver OK no jab = no free NHS care if you catch it then!

As vaccinated people can spread Covid in the same way as vaccinated people, I don't really understand this way of thinking. I suppose I am being a bit old-fashioned in believing that you get yourself vaccinated to protect yourself, not everybody else, so the unvaccinated are only putting themselves at risk.

My boss is fully vaccinated including the booster but was pretty poorly with Covid at Christmas and so could have passed it to others even though he was fully vaccinated - as I said, you can still be infected with Covid and spread it regardless of your vaccination status so stopping certain people from participating in normal life simply because they are not protecting themselves seems rather harsh.

Quite right too, Boris and Co are quite happy to throw us under the bus, making travel into and out of the country ridiculously easy, in the interests of the economy. I saw a headline a couple of days ago where Sir Andrew Pollard said we couldn’t keep vaccinating every six months and the fourth jab shouldn’t be given until ’there is more evidence’ (then vulnerable given priotity)
Have I missed something here? Boris is spouting vaccination as the solution, why then would we need more evidence?

Well said LuckyGirl3..!!

Luckygirl3

Good for him! At least there is one politician who is prepared to tell it like it is and put the safety of the citizens above sucking up to voters.

These unvaccinated people are not being demonised; they are just being told that there are some things they will not be able to do, for the safety of the majority.

I am not allowed to get on a bus and wave a gun around - I am not being demonised; I am being told what cannot be done for the safety of others.

I totally agree with this.

Macron like others is in electioneering mode and what he said should be seen through that lens. There are only three ways governments can influence events internal to a country - throwing money at them, propaganda and regulation. All three can only achieve limited success. There will always be people who can't be 'reached' and who stand a higher chance of dying from Covid or being affected by long Covid.

His language was unprofessional, but do agree with him. Of course there are people who couldn’t be vaccinated for one reason or another, but I would guess they’re in the minority.

Most of them are very silly to say the least. Even made Chris Whitty sad.

esgt1967

As vaccinated people can spread Covid in the same way as vaccinated people, I don't really understand this way of thinking. I suppose I am being a bit old-fashioned in believing that you get yourself vaccinated to protect yourself, not everybody else, so the unvaccinated are only putting themselves at risk.

My boss is fully vaccinated including the booster but was pretty poorly with Covid at Christmas and so could have passed it to others even though he was fully vaccinated - as I said, you can still be infected with Covid and spread it regardless of your vaccination status so stopping certain people from participating in normal life simply because they are not protecting themselves seems rather harsh.

Some vaccinated people are still at risk. Isn’t it about 4%? So having contact with an unvaccinated person is a higher risk, as you’re potentially exposed to the live virus for longer. Two or three weeks. It’s just a couple of days with a vaccinated person, as the vaccine kills it.

Then of course there’s the people who have no choice, and can’t be vaccinated. So it’s true yes...the vaccine does ( hopefully), protect most people, but if everyone was vaccinated who could be, the window of opportunity for the live virus is substantially cut down.

If I thought it would work over here I’d say go for it Boris. I’m still remembering all the negative comments about him saying care home staff must be vaccinated or that we should have Covid passports.
And if he dared to swear at us . . .

I am right behind him. People still have freedom of choice not to be vaccinated, they are not being forced as todays news reveal people in Italy are. They are just being nudged for the good of everyone. Their choice as to whether they participate fully in the world.
Vulnerable people don’t have that choice if people around them are putting their lives in danger, they have to limit their lives.

JenniferEccles

I suspect the majority of people in many countries would be of the view that those who refuse to be vaccinated should be punished in some way.
Equally I suspect compulsory vaccination wouldn’t be universally acceptable, so denying the refusers access to a variety of establishments seems like a reasonable ‘punishment’ to me.
If we didn’t have approximately five million still unjabbed here, wouldn’t we be in a much better position right now?

Equally I suspect compulsory vaccination wouldn’t be universally acceptable, so denying the refusers access to a variety of establishments seems like a reasonable ‘punishment’ to me.

Compulsory vaccination? Imagine the scenario of forcibly holding someone down to administer the vaccine - because undoubtedly it would come to that with some people! It's just not feasible! Denying them access to various establishments is both feasible and democratic.

I can understand and sympathise with those who are nervous about the vaccine and its possible side effects, but they are in a completely different category to the loud and angry mob of anti-vaxxers - some of whom are actually 'storming' vaccination hubs and assaulting / intimidating the staff. In one town recently, they also attempted to forcibly remove masks from those that were wearing them.

I don't want to 'punish' people who are genuinely nervous about the vaccine. But we should not be accommodating these mobs and they need to feel the effects of the full force of the Law. And they should certainly be banned from entering establishments, un-masked, and un-vaccinated.

Emmanuel Macron intends to ‘piss off’ the unvaccinated.

Good!

I am fully in agreement with him. I wish our politicians had the guts to do similar. I would also like to see those who claim to be exempt from mask wearing have to prove it before coming into the shop where i work. If they don't wear a mask what else are they not doing?

A friend of mine in her sixties collapsed after receiving her injection. She was in France and only kept alive until her adult children could arrange to fly over to say their goodbyes.
My ex-husband also collapsed on being vaxxed and was taken to hospital to discover that he had bowel cancer, from which he died some months later.
Some of us have carried out research to discover that all is not as it seems.
Why are more babies being stillborn at full term than ever before after their mothers have been vaccinated?
It has always been quite rare for this to happen, yet the mother of a midwife in an NHS hospital told how her daughter was terrified by the rise in numbers of stillbirths.
Don't just accept the vaccine, ask what is in it.

So the pass vaccinal went through and became law last night. Apparently it also applies to travel on the TGV and other long distance transport.
I think the point is that people have the right not to be vaccinated, but they don't have the right to inflict the consequences of their irresponsible behaviour on others.
I don't see this as electioneering. From the beginning the rules have been absolutely clear here and this is a logical progression. When Macron announced the onal pass sanitaire back in the summer, about a million vaccination appointments were made by 8am the following morning. It is about understanding what works in the country you govern.

onal = original. No idea what happened there. ?